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RE: CrowbCat's "TF2 2007 And now"

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In CrowbCat's newest video, he showed that TF2's graphics got downgraded and according to some people, that now it's a dead game. But did his comparisons even represent the current state of the game? ▶Twitter : https://twitter.com/RealGermanPeter ▶CrowbCat's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1W5DU4zmAA ▶Reddit posts: https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/6k1kve/tf2_2007_and_now_crowbcat/djjfygr/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/6k1kve/tf2_2007_and_now_crowbcat/djil9lm/ ▶Sources: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/7/76/Mountebank%27s_Masque.png?t=20141223041430 https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/f/f5/Potassium_Bonnett.png?t=20150828133119 ♫Music: Mondgomery - Pure Sport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amQAehMVF_4 Tora Tora - Are You https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4EoiL8ZeT4 Vanilla - Too Much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gahRTAQIZvI ★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★ Thanks, and have fun.
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Zhnigo (7 hours ago)
that like-dislike ratio tho
panacek (13 days ago)
3:27 The new revolver does not have animations!!! It looks much nicer with animations by me.. I dont want to anger anyone but just look at the animations on revolver pls.. :3
Hermenetor 456 (16 days ago)
The bottle breaks if you get a critical hit
DILLON OLIVIERO (23 days ago)
eeezzy (1 month ago)
Dont talk shit about the banana hat
TetzoComp (1 month ago)
he didn't pay attention to some things....
Uber D (1 month ago)
I get that this video is old and all but the lighting/textures really looks worse nowadays
Toastie (1 month ago)
Guys, he said that these things are debatable and also made the points that were just mistakes by valve clear. Dont get your gibus in a twist.
Blaze (1 month ago)
I have played both the og orange box and the PC version. I definitely like the current tf2 the most.
La Gabyyy 666 (1 month ago)
fucking downgrade
80’s 90’s lover (1 month ago)
I disagree on everything you said about textures and lighting
anto n (1 month ago)
I want the old heavy viewmodel :(
MinerGuy Br (1 month ago)
Now it looks more pixely
the fluffy Octopus (1 month ago)
I got the console version of TF2, so I have all the graphics as 2007.
Orangeguy (1 month ago)
3:18 The bottle DOES in fact break, but only on a crit.
SOUPP (1 month ago)
the only thing that really changed is the models and lighting BUT WITH THE POWER OF FLEX TAPE (and use of hwm models + lighting shit) YOU CAN NOW PLAY 2007 TF2 JUST LIKE THE OLD DAYS! (commands for better lighting and shading on the guns ///doesnt work on all guns/// ↓ ↓ ↓ ) r_lod 0 r_rootlod 0 r_avglight 3 r_shadows 1 r_threaded_client_shadow_manager 1 r_shadowmaxrendered 1024 r_shadowrendertotexture 1 mp_usehwmmodels 1 mp_usehwmvcds 1 WOW! LOOK AT THAT SHINE! *side effects may include... more cpu/gpu usage, weirder facial expressions from the 8 classes (that have a face u can see) and some dropped frames :P*
Dogorski (2 months ago)
Every now and then I take off all of my cosmetics and switch to stock and play casual. It's fun to go play the game so simply sometimes, and if you're any good people will complain about your lack of cosmetics haha. I love how tf2 has turned out and I wouldn't change it for the world, but sometimes it's nice to just go back to when I first started playing the game. Anyway, I think the textures look a lot nicer now anyway. Great video!
TeeTime (2 months ago)
This video in a nutshell The downgrades are much nicer.
meme sozer (2 months ago)
To be honest in the new "downgrade" is valve trying to make it look like half life death match.
Brad McCool (2 months ago)
I just started playing TF2 and the first thing I noticed was how creepy the scout looks! Please Valve, please change this!
NotRealName (2 months ago)
CrowBcat is pretty bad
Spiraling Downward (2 months ago)
Where’s DF retro when you need him?!
unfa (2 months ago)
I think most of the changes are done to make the game run faster - to make GPU and CPU time to draw all the hats and unusuals, store all the custom weapon skin textures etc... The game initially didn't have cosmetics and the developers could dedicate much more resources to some small detail. On the other hand - I guess we got much better hardware now than 10 years ago, so the hats must be a really heavy burden...
Quality bois (2 months ago)
Wtf dislikes
Butter Does Stuff (2 months ago)
Actually the bottle breaks now if you kill someone.
Welfz Twingo Furs (2 months ago)
rileytyfy (2 months ago)
You're not observant.
The Spy (2 months ago)
Ich vermisse das alte Matchmaking im Casual! :(
A Normal Person (3 months ago)
*So dark*
I_Is_Salty_Boi YT (3 months ago)
I'm gonna make a video on deferences of 2007 and 2017 and have edgey music over it
Egg Nog (3 months ago)
Yo I like old minigun :D
Sandvich Panda (3 months ago)
7:23 also new player will have a much better time noticing an ammo pack on the ground, when they want ammo, than they will notice a gun that makes no sence on why it would give you ammo
Chimeric Loli (3 months ago)
I think the problem is you're interpreting it as him pointing it out as a major issue. The video is more about the aesthetic changes that TF2 has made, good, bad, or meaningless. Like, the rectangle on 2Fort. You don't seriously think he thought that was a big deal? He's just pointing out the differences that have happened. Also, did you really say the Heavy's minigun has better and more detailed textures? Lol, maybe on one small part of the gun, but the rivets on the ammo drum are smudgy, and the screws on the barrel are now just flat textured circles. Also, his comparison of the first person model of the minigun wasn't about how much it took up the screen. It was, like other guns, about the lighting on it. The only reason it was bigger on the 2007 version is because he used the 360 version of the game to demonstrate it's vanilla state, as that's the only real way to get that build of the game, and 360 doesn't have FOV settings. It's safe to say that the graphics of TF2 have faced a downgrade. Lighting is different, animations are more stilted, texture detail is lowered, etc. Honestly it makes sense, as with all these new weapons and cosmetics all being loaded into memory, it's probably too much for the engine to have all this new stuff without sacrificing graphical fidelity. Then again, I'm no expert at programming or engines, but it's not outlandish of a theory. Whether it's more aesthetically pleasing isn't the point of the video, but that these changes were made.
Spyko (3 months ago)
They should add a feature called 2007 detailing Adding things like animations sapper falling and things tha th should of stayed for those who can handle it on their pc
Ostroidz (3 months ago)
The reason these changes were made in the present version is because for those with low end computers not to lag from excessive animations that are not needed in the game
The Shameful (3 months ago)
The again, they did fix the bottle with the jungle update
Creative Toasted Toast (3 months ago)
Silly mayonnaise (3 months ago)
"new flamethrower's texture is much higher quality" You really sound like a diehard fanboy, or you are just blind.
The Pyro Artist (3 months ago)
1 salty boi
TheStardustBLU (3 months ago)
both of theae videos were pretty bad
AwaSpam (4 months ago)
I think they took out the sapper becuase of sappers like the ap-sap which still talk even if the engi destroys the sapper
you will always get a dove when you kill a scout
Maydick the Medic (4 months ago)
Says the old knife looks silly. Bro that is the actual size of the knife irl, the newer one is just, *_smol_*
TF2 (4 months ago)
I miss being able to pick up weapons on the floor
Spork (4 months ago)
i honestly prefer the old lighting tbh imo it fits the cartoonish art style better
Nyeh heh heh (4 months ago)
The glare gun wasn't in 2007
Nyeh heh heh (4 months ago)
Flare gun
Nyeh heh heh (4 months ago)
Clare gun
Think (4 months ago)
The spot on the wall is going away because the game is older
adamsrealm (4 months ago)
tommy pruitt (4 months ago)
I did not exactly like this video. Some of the arguments were unfair while some he did not even talk about.
B1G B34R (4 months ago)
If it was still a case of picking up weapons then yes being able to move weapons would be important, but because it isn’t no one cares
Lars Maihauer (4 months ago)
germanpeter can you speak german? ps good video :3
Creepy Old Man (5 months ago)
I cannot fucking stand Crowbcat and his fan base.
Smile Guy (5 months ago)
to my knowledge the bottle does have a chance to break when you kill someone I've seen it happen before
Enno (5 months ago)
What's „bresh“?
The Archuduke (5 months ago)
Crowbcats retarded anyways
Vastra (5 months ago)
I don't care if it covers the entire screen, I think that the minigun should look like the release one. After all, being bulky and scary IS Heavy's thing, so it fits
Chef Sossi Sont (5 months ago)
well, ain't this just a lovely melting pot of opinions lol
Christian Fleiss (5 months ago)
honestly I believe that graphics don't matter, because TF2 is not supposed to look stunning, its meant to be the first PC game you play after you download steam on your crappy computer. reply if you agree or disagree
Bjørn Stavang (5 months ago)
Nvm. Unsub
Karel Vellet (5 months ago)
I just mod the game
Tentakle R (5 months ago)
Crowbat is a joke, and what's worst is that his community treats him like a god.
Latvian Dragon (5 months ago)
it was fair
They deleted a lot of realistix things
kloadit (5 months ago)
The old revolver looked better
kloadit (5 months ago)
No it didn’t
QuazH (6 months ago)
Ok so you like downgrades? Nobody actually cares and this video is pointless lol
This Fucking Guy (6 months ago)
GermanPeter = The only TF2 player to pronounce Rottenburg correctly
Aiden Emerson (6 months ago)
I wish we had the old mini gun model
A Pacifist Rants (6 months ago)
What is your recording software?
Deathreus (6 months ago)
You missed like half of the points in these comparisons which were supposed to show animations or particle effects that are missing
Lempan (6 months ago)
Theyn Smith (6 months ago)
“Nicer” shut the fuck up annoying ass bitch
Erik Pro (6 months ago)
He shows how little and... For the worse it changed
Anonymous (6 months ago)
The sapper on the floor whould give away that a spy is around
t rox (6 months ago)
like i agree theres nothing that efects the gameplay so WHY ARE YOU GUYS COMPLAINING
Alphetei (6 months ago)
im surprised at the amount of salt in this comment section
MiRoR (6 months ago)
I think they made graphic much bad because many pc's have big lags?(then for powerful pc could make good graphic menu?)
Aquidu (6 months ago)
Something to note about that ammo situation. Old "ammo pickup" weapons could be pushed, and new "direct pickup" items can't. But the new dropped ammo packs CAN be pushed, making it exactly the same as before.
мамин рпшник (6 months ago)
Optimisation lvl: -1
Timber P (6 months ago)
dark0ssx (6 months ago)
"in the new version we see more detailed textures" wtf are you talking about they are the much lower res texture meant for the world model "i think the lighting on the scout looks much nicer now" seriously wtf is wrong with you
RickitySplitz (6 months ago)
Some of the physics like the water and some of the weapons are atrocious today.
Uranium Bikini (7 months ago)
Broken Warhead Studios (7 months ago)
Now all the game needs is fixing low frame rate by making it more compatible with 64 bit operating system’s. *cough* source 2 *cough*
Sans Zockt (7 months ago)
Your Local Meme Dealer (7 months ago)
stop defending man we need to stand up against volvo if they doesn't stop this.
Delta (7 months ago)
3:46 :o look at that black box
bigboy2 (7 months ago)
mat_phong 0 and muzzle flash mod, now shut the fuck up and enjoy playing a Quake based shooter for g r a p h i c s.
Roman Bellic (7 months ago)
I still think CrowbCat's videos is just to let you know how much has changed, some people take it the wrong way and pick a side by saying the "old version of *This game* " is better than the new version of *this game* .
tankmon123 (7 months ago)
Yay the bottle breaks now
Tripshift (7 months ago)
« that’s much more consistant » that does not even mean anything dude ...
Epic_Kipz (7 months ago)
The paint is meant to wear off over time.
sdkipper32 (7 months ago)
You made some points, but for some reason this feels like a leafy video.
IWantSomeMore (6 months ago)
sdkipper32 I didn't hear him use the words retarded, literally and like over and over again in a span of 5 seconds.
ninja8077 (7 months ago)
I know you can pause the video and look at the comparison but after the 4th time of it being up there for only a second I can't watch this. It turned less about watching and more about analyzing your video. Which is bad content making.
MayorPixel (7 months ago)
"JUST A PREFERENCE" you're damn fucking right! you knew you were wrong!
Blitz Genesis (7 months ago)
I honestly don't agree with your opinion, I prefer the much more detailed tf2 then the current one.
Mimic (7 months ago)
The part with the smoke is more that it would spread out over solid surfaces whereas now it just goes through everything and looks really.. eh
Is it me or I'm playin' TF2 with 2007 features! (I can break bottle cuz of wall) etc.
Howtostudies (7 months ago)
They updated the screams and bottle
My character when fall is screamin' but im playin' in 2018
Daire Smith (7 months ago)
I thought it was weird how you could potentially pick up a Demoman's bottle and fire it out your minigun.
zilla743 luck (7 months ago)
I wish they brought back the animation for the spys revolver

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