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"Love me some Regi" – The Feud That Changed the LCS

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Here’s something weird: A conversation about balance in League of Legends changed the pro scene forever. That’s not even hyperbole. In 2016, League players and team owners were mad that Riot Games kept changing the game at the worst times. And in their attempt to pressure Riot to re-think when they patched League, they ended up changing the entire business model of the esports scene forever. Here's how the dispute between Marc "Tryndamere" Merrill and Andy "Reginald" Dinh changed everything. Written and hosted by Daniel Rosen (@Daniel_Rosen) Edited by Miles Hackett (@miles_hackett) Images of Marc "Tryndamere" Merrill Courtesy: Riot Games Cop Out - Tracy Morgan: "No!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg2u_De8j5o Courtesy: Warner Bros. Pictures NA LCS Spring and Summer 2016 event footage Courtesy: Riot Games DRIVE: The Reginald Story #LCSDrive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV3ttn_nLdE Courtesy: Riot Games TSM: Legends Season 2 - Episode 26 https://youtu.be/TwMXRqk-_Vs Courtesy: Team SoloMid TSM: Legends Season 2 - Episode 27 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm9lFuWCZ-E Courtesy: Team SoloMid A New Era of the NA LCS Begins https://youtu.be/bEPhIAxqav0 Courtesy: Riot Games Evolution of the NA LCS https://youtu.be/jtGLHmSa2lA Courtesy: Riot Games Overwatch League Royal Wedding clip https://youtu.be/bqb_FAqqdEM Courtesy: Overwatch League (YouTube) Hotrod "Where do you get off?" clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbu88CKkEzI Courtesy: Paramount Pictures Music used under license from Associated Production Music LLC (”APM”). Check out theScore esports on Android and iOS: Android: http://thesco.re/esportsAndroidYT iOS: http://thesco.re/esportsiOSYT Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/thescoreesports Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theScoreesports Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/theScoreesports Follow us on Snapchat: theScoreesports
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tompatompsson (15 days ago)
The idea of no relegation/promotion is the most idiot fucking thing ever
hecksters423 (19 days ago)
The Virgin "James is an ass" vs The Chad "Love me some Regi" Btw, go talk about the former
Chris (1 month ago)
8:20 fucking cringe
Akakurei (2 months ago)
Now that I watch this, why didnt LOL follow Dota2 formula for tournaments and leagues?
Tagle2 Mec2 (2 months ago)
League of legends has always been patched like crazy, voluntarily imbalanced game to force people into switching characters and trying to tempt them to buy skins. May this constant unbalance be to make the people stick to the game + grabbing cash or may it be just because of they are incompetent but both reason are enough to not want to go deep into the game... I mean why would someone want to go pro in a constantly unbalanced game ?
Mehran Choudhury (2 months ago)
Yup, definitely us
CorpseTeaParty (3 months ago)
dude... your hand.. ahhhhhhhhhh
Pete Edberg (3 months ago)
5:19 The word is "assertion", not "assertation".
Benjamin Griffin (3 months ago)
so unbelievably biased towards tsm. now i remember why i don't watch u much
Trim Prism (3 months ago)
I've been using your app for years now :D
Garfield's Spaghetti (3 months ago)
Patch is not for balancing? What the fuck
nandoughs (3 months ago)
i hate this guy
lll Alejo (3 months ago)
Patch 8.11 Aaaaaaaaaaaannnd it's gone.
Daniel Rossland (3 months ago)
Would have subbed were it not for the annoying jokes.
Emochind (3 months ago)
And franchising in europe will destroy this esports. There are so many great teams coming out of the challenger series. OG and Misfits just to name some. Ill definitly not looking forward to it
Emochind (3 months ago)
Yeah regelations were the problem, see every none american sport....
frog boy (3 months ago)
I would watch this video but this guys voice and lisp or whatever is so distracting
BadgerUKvideo (3 months ago)
I just can't understand why you'd want to format a sport in an anti-competitive communist framework. I get that America prefers the communist system. But they don't compete internationally and no other sport/ country on the planet has a communist system. I don't understand why they'd apply it to EU.
bboyzagy (3 months ago)
Garou: Mark of the Wolves in the background. Hehe, insta sub.
fr33ko (3 months ago)
you need to do an update for this a few years down the line for how the franchising efforts long term effects. Leagues like MLB, NHL, NBA, NFL have no risk of relegation. There are teams that are seemingly always good and on the other side there are teams that are chronically bad as well. When 4 teams out of 28+ are just going through the motions and taking their profit sharing to the bank it is easier to overlook them. However when 3 or 4 out of 10 teams are just not on any real level competitive outside of their own group of bottom feeders, that makes for a huge problem. There does not seem to be any incentive for those teams to improve either as their spots are guaranteed. This 2018 summer split there are only two teams that are behind the pack after week 4. Is that due to the lower teams playing each other and padding their stats with the wins over each other so far? When there is a 4 way tie for 1st and another 4 way tie for 5th I do not think this is good for the league. I personally feel that the nalcs needs to make sweeping changes. First they need to play meaningful games on more days than simply the weekend. Perhaps the academy teams can have a day to themselves to feature the potential future talent that will never really be developed (which is another problem with the lcs I will not get into here). Having best of 3 matches similar to LPL/LCK would allow for more talent to be put on display since subs could be used. 2 or 3 matches a day would allow for teams to be better prepared for each matchup as well. As an outside viewer, I see no reason why I would want to watch what the lcs (eu and na) has become.
MultiTwentyseven (3 months ago)
Liber Philosophus (4 months ago)
The lack of a franchising was a clear problem to anyone experienced with professional sports in general. No doubt riot was already considering it, but I suppose you can take credit if you want; it makes no difference.
Chim Ritchelds (4 months ago)
Fuck regi
eojgnoix (4 months ago)
Win Worlds and Gitgud. The resources are exactly the same to every single team on the planet. A computer and the game. What else do you need. If NA or the West in general haven't figured out to compete internationally and win, it is not Riots fault. But tbh riot is a shit company. Couldn't imagine representing them in a sport environment
jason hang (4 months ago)
Riot just got ducked
sadnanxious (4 months ago)
this guy just annoys the fuck out of me idk why.
José Henrique (4 months ago)
Regi probably would end up saying something about this even without you guys
naw nope (3 months ago)
well yea. the question was intended to be answered like "well changes to the game make it hard to practice a lot" scara had no idea regi was about to murder riot on camera
odi amador (4 months ago)
how not to be sarcastic
Evan Harmon (4 months ago)
It was like the Magna Carta of esports
Egoti (4 months ago)
sup yo (4 months ago)
haha the clipped in clips were so funny and added to the vid hahahaha good job
Flame Road (4 months ago)
Wait...did Scarra get paid for this? Haha
Beckerzinho (4 months ago)
Lol wtf is this vid, stop smoking crack with Regi pls lmao So what has it changed? Riot just made the biggest change in meta in all those years, r.i.p. adcs They dont really care about pro scene that much, lets be real. What pay dev team, what pays servers? Is it esports? Hell no, its the RP players purchase. They couldn't give less of a flippin fuck. Esports help the popularity of the game but thats all By the way Regi should be glad he already got a champion based on him and stop being so salty when the fault for losing is his for thinking Bjerg is any good I wonder what will happen when esports die in West again like it happened with Startcraft, will Riot even care?
john gorman (4 months ago)
Crazy been watching you guys for years and just gave you the sub, I actually remember that tweet as it came out (being a tsm boy) and thank you guys for bringing to the table. Honestly if it weren’t for your media outlet and your pursuit to make a wonderful esports new channels. Regi wouldn’t have had a platform to talk about these issues. Even if it would’ve happened down the road I’m glad you guys made it happen ASAP. #love me some regi and theScore
john li (4 months ago)
franchising pretty much ended all hopes of NA being a strong region internationally
Mistbu (4 months ago)
They totally underplayed that interview. It was the most impactful interview in LCS history
Qajajajj W (4 months ago)
Cauz of you RIP Immortals :/
Nadrev Wat zit toya (4 months ago)
Good guy regi
Zephyrod (4 months ago)
There’s just one problem with franchising in my opinion: eventually it can be rather boring for viewers. The same 10 teams, absolutely no new entry, beautiful “from challenger to worlds” stories like Origen or Misfits can’t exist anymore
stretchchris1 (4 months ago)
Yanks can't hack sport. "franchising" is total bs.
Team Dongnitas (4 months ago)
Montechristo (back when hé was still involved un LoL) made a great pièce about this
Marty Mcfly 88MPH (4 months ago)
Great video guys. Keep it up
Drakshl (4 months ago)
Ofcourse you should usepro rel, the new system is awful.
Drakshl (4 months ago)
Tryndamere is also a lil bitch
hi gh (4 months ago)
Fking hate Regi lmao
Bernadett Bán (4 months ago)
It is so weird that EU gets almost no love even thought they are the ones that actually perform well, compared to NA, from year by year
Rune Mamba (7 days ago)
Bernadett Bán EU has barely any personality that’s why, better at game but boring players plus riot is American based company
Ironman (2 months ago)
It is weird right? An american made game, promoting the american Lcs. So fucked up. i think youre on to something Dr. Strange
Nick Samaha (3 months ago)
bcuz most of the money and audience comes from NA, obviously they will follow NA
Alex Fonseca (3 months ago)
Austin Ashcraft the combined bnp of all the European countries is actually bigger than that of all the American States. There Are in fact plenty of money in EU and for sure a lot less debt than in America. The European money Are just in a different place than e-sports.
Austin Ashcraft (3 months ago)
Its bc EU is POOR
Jeff Brunecz (4 months ago)
The narrator of this video is a noob hack. Over dramatic and factually inaccurate.
someoneonlylol (4 months ago)
Holy shit I had no idea regi was behind this
Banger 9000 (4 months ago)
Assasins need more dmg tbh
wints22 (4 months ago)
I know the credit taking is tongue-in-cheek humor, but adds nothing to this video and really just serves as an unnecessary and frankly unfunny distraction from what is otherwise a very well put together video.
Josh West (4 months ago)
Information is great, presentation and silly credit banter was dumb.
dajhonify (4 months ago)
The8thJester (4 months ago)
We all know Scarra is the real hero of the LCS.
Nibir Das (4 months ago)
For the sake of everything that's good in this world STOP MOVING YOUR HANDS SO MUCH. And the alternate camera angle adds NOTHING to the video.
arbyssauce (4 months ago)
Regi and tsm can eat dicks. Your players should never find out they lost their jobs on reddit. Super unprofessional.
Sir Eugene (4 months ago)
irregular mana (4 months ago)
"I don't understand it, guess I'll pour a large quantity of money into it" - wonders why they lost money. It's league man, if shit stayed the same the game dies and then no one watches the game and LCS, iem, and worlds all go under. Sorry but at then end of the day you make a living playing fucking video games, STFU.
Double Scotch (4 months ago)
Little known fact, theScore esports invented esports.
Keith (3 months ago)
Duane Doldrum they invented quake
Wojciech Kohut (3 months ago)
Maybe not totally invented but "kind of?", "sort of?"
Duane Doldrum (3 months ago)
Double Scotch bruh Quake even started without theScore existing yet. Lol
Salman Memehood (4 months ago)
[Riot]_Tryndamere VS [TSM]_Wukong
6lettersshadow (4 months ago)
The EU viewership tank had nothing to do with this issue, The core team of Deman and Joe "Joe Miller" Miller were the only good presenter and the core of production value together. They threw him away offering him half pay to train the pointless newer guys who arent fun to watch. He refused and is now combined with similar TF2 refugees like Sideshow now present Overwatch Deman WAS EU LCS presenting. Its pointless now. The 50 ward game, the 30k CLG.EU comeback, all deman Honestly its never been clearly exactly what they tried to do with him in the half pay contract it could do with a video
James B (4 months ago)
Definitely not all score esports. IT WAS ALL SCARRA BABY! You were just lucky he was holding a mic with your name
Retard Targeted (4 months ago)
Can’t wait for the video on removing bo3 killing the lcs.
Austinpl0x (4 months ago)
So are we going to forget MonteCristo's crusade as well? After all he helped fight for more pay for casters and this franchising system.
Austinpl0x (4 months ago)
I know this. Im supporting Monte, not disrespecting him. :)
raven maximus (4 months ago)
Austinpl0x because of that he lost his investment as well, because he back-paid his former team because riot held his stipends check for months without reason. Tl;dr riot fucked monte because monte was pissing on their treatment of shoutcaster.
Artur Schneider (4 months ago)
Austinpl0x will always remember Monte, he the best
Sterben Saw (4 months ago)
Love me some Scarra
Akash Mahendra (4 months ago)
Love me some Regi.
Drwuwho (4 months ago)
Cool vid. But by god, that ending was way to cringy
Drew Patton (4 months ago)
love me some lebron
Azir (4 months ago)
They still have more they need to do. The prize pool for Worlds it's stupid. It should be much higher and there should be payouts for being the best in your region as well (or bigger ones if there isn't already). These payouts should go out to first, second, and third at least in the main regions. These kids are essentially risking their futures on this game. Many of them will not be able to just stream for a living after esports. I mean look at Chauster who kinda just works some 3rd rate job at some random place probably just making ends meet. They are providing entertainment on a level that is approaching if not overtaking some traditional sports. More than 40million watched the last Worlds in a packed out arena. You telling me that many viewrs only generates enough revenue for 5mil pool allowance? (so like 2mil for 1st i think) I DO NOT KNOW how much esports players make from just being on a team but I feel like if you aren't TSM (referring only to NA right now) you don't make much.
Azir (4 months ago)
I've heard the rumors too but where can I get some facts? lol. I just don't believe players are making that much not even the big names like DL and Bjersen (hence why DL left the pro scene for a while in the first place and even stated he made much more doing streams then being a pro) You say "if you compare salary" but WHERE ARE THE SALARIES? If there's no source it's just wishful thinking. Don't get me wrong, I hope they are making good salary (although I think your guess of 6-digits is bogus, I'd cap Bjerg out at 50k and that's with all his sponsorships). The main plus just being that they don't have to really pay for food or living which maybe is something they try to factor into why they don't expand the prize pool. (Fun fact: Fun facts need to be facts not rumors :/ )
Silent Shadows (4 months ago)
That is the case from before but you have to realize that the salary of player nowadays are a lot lot lot higher if I remember correctly the minimum is 6 digits now, now if you're comparing the prize pool of DOTA 2 for example the reasoning that it's not as big of a deal is because if you compare salary LoL as a game is much more stable for everyone despite DOTA 2 having such a massive prize pool doesn't signify anything. (Fun fact: salary can go up to 1 million rumors of TL Impact having that salary)
Robert Young (4 months ago)
I love this channel and the quality of the content, but for the love of God man, please tone down the hand-talking! <3
Abominable Weaver (4 months ago)
Love me some cringe 0:30
Turbo Onion (4 months ago)
Reginald is the worst player in LSC history. Period.
Homie Heist (2 months ago)
Raphael Okoye goldenglue just helped to knock tsm out of playoffs with a game 5 winning malz play
Raphael Okoye (4 months ago)
Logic yes but he was the worst midlander when he was on teamliquid
Logic (4 months ago)
Raphael Okoye I watched GoldenGod solo kill PoE. Your joke isn't that funny given the current context of the LCS
Raphael Okoye (4 months ago)
Turbo Onion dude have you watched Goldenglue?
Maibuwolf (4 months ago)
What? He was rank #1 on the ladder for some time. He was also the best mid in NA for a couple of splits. He was never among the best in the world but he was far from the worst lcs player ever. You can hate him if you choose but you cannot tell blatant lies that when it can easily be fact checked.
Huy Le (4 months ago)
Reginald is ugly as fuck
peffiSC2source (4 months ago)
The delta between the score esports and other reporting is pretty big right now (love me some travis though)
Des1red SNNA (4 months ago)
Why no Rocket league coverage?
Sir Plato Butt (4 months ago)
Man seeing Noah Whinston tweeting #LCSForever made me sad. Rip Immortals you have been mortalled
ChanJustWon (4 months ago)
I cant help but cringe at this guys hand movement e.o
Renz Dale Go (4 months ago)
It was Saint Scarra the patron saint of feeding and warding bushes that asked the question that shook the very foundations of R!T0
Ffennell Marcial (4 months ago)
Love me some damage control.
Yassen Elsayed (4 months ago)
Love me some daniel rosen <3
Daniel Rosen (4 months ago)
Hey I love you too man
Robish Ream (4 months ago)
his words use is on point.
Jens Mortensen (4 months ago)
Franchising isnt necessarily a good thing. Relegation and promotion is one of the most entertaining things to watch. Football (soccer) is doing just fine without franchising
MarkEz DEZ (4 months ago)
Jens Mortensen I’m no expert but I’m pretty sure CS:GO has better stipends whereas Lol esports is practically non-existent. And for American players getting paid more, I’m not 100% certain, but it has to do with EU’s geography as there’s so many esports teams in different countries. NA esports is central to the US, no border. CLG use to be a EU team, until they made the decision to move to NA cause better money.
Jens Mortensen (4 months ago)
MarkEz DEZ That logic does in no way apply to CS:GO that proves more money and fans doesnt eqaul better teams. American teams pay so much compared to european ones in esport and fnatic and nip habe huge fanbases. Yet its been SK and Astralis who have been dominant in the past 2-3 years
MarkEz DEZ (4 months ago)
Yes but esports teams are not bound to a state or country. It's a popularity contest, being the most popular will be the most successful. Whereas, the bottom teams are left to collect dust.
john doe (4 months ago)
but i do however LOVE your channel THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO
Alberto Cejas (4 months ago)
Love me some too thescore esport. Didnt know that story
john doe (4 months ago)
Regi is such a douchebag. playing for TSM while he was still hands on wouldve been so much cancer. remember that video of him shit talking wildturtle right in front of him? hes just completely un-self aware. fuck regi
Samuel Lavigne-Cloutier (4 months ago)
Thank you Scarra for that great interview.
FunTimeMonkey 209 (4 months ago)
Thescore is the buzzfeed of esports, but in a good way.
Wilson Chen (4 months ago)
Thorin “hehe love me some regi”
Wilson Chen (4 months ago)
atrain 34007 (4 months ago)
This channel blows.
what the (4 months ago)
too bad reggis still a toxic bitch
Sodium Hypochlorite (4 months ago)
Love me some Regi
Richard Gray (4 months ago)
It was def scarra. He wrote his own questions. Lol
Johnlloyd Ricardo (4 months ago)
LeBron James looks cute in that bowling ball falling😂
Stephon Cruz (4 months ago)
Good video, annoying play on taking credit.
Stephon Cruz (4 months ago)
I know hes kidding, it's still an annoying play on it, especially how long and often it was brought up. Just took away from the video for me.
Artur Schneider (4 months ago)
It was so blatant and sort of sarcastic that you really have to think he was kidding. Thats just me tho, might be wrong
Warren Clayson (4 months ago)
Dota over league
CyberShinobi (4 months ago)
Now the next problem...how to get teams in LCS to represent cities in America like Overwatch.
hidesk dwi (4 months ago)
CyberShinobi that should never happen Since players are alredy in teams they would just stay with the team instead of moving to there home team. Making the name pointlesss. since the la team wont have people from la. This would never happen but If riot region locked it players would be forced to split teams which would be worse. It works in sports because its always been thay way and teams practice in there home city.
Desmond Martin (4 months ago)
Story of team Apex or Dignitas!
Tiago Monteiro (4 months ago)
I pretty much watch all of this channel's content, and this guy is by far the best! Good job bros.
Griffin Tubridy (4 months ago)
Your videos are great but this guy who I haven’t seen before can’t do the talking, his voice and gestures are not fit for this scene. Now being said he did put together a nice informational video but he needs to be the guy behind the scenes not presenting it
Carlo Ratto (4 months ago)
Love me some scarra with the questions that really matter.
daraxiong19 (4 months ago)
But it broke my heart because Immortals didn't make the cut even though they helped push for franchising.
Logic (4 months ago)
Immortals was factually turned down because of financial dangers. They had alot of debt on there shoulders and were actively investing in other esports with that debt. Franchising was not for financially troubled organizations it was for experienced organizations. The Esport is better for it
chris hauge (4 months ago)
It didn't have the backing or the financial to make that money.
Daniel Keough (4 months ago)
IIRC Immortals got denied because they just purchased a $20 million OWL spot.
john doe (4 months ago)
and now we have fucking golden guardians instead. fuck that noise 100 thieves is dope tho
J Harriger (4 months ago)
This. IMT got royally screwed because Riot wanted NBA buyers and wouldn't reward one of the most successful new franchises. Now IMT is the first Esports franchise to get a shoe deal on top of landing other major sponsors. Riot can suck it and LCS can burn.

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