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"Love me some Regi" – The Feud That Changed the LCS

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Here’s something weird: A conversation about balance in League of Legends changed the pro scene forever. That’s not even hyperbole. In 2016, League players and team owners were mad that Riot Games kept changing the game at the worst times. And in their attempt to pressure Riot to re-think when they patched League, they ended up changing the entire business model of the esports scene forever. Here's how the dispute between Marc "Tryndamere" Merrill and Andy "Reginald" Dinh changed everything. Written and hosted by Daniel Rosen (@Daniel_Rosen) Edited by Miles Hackett (@miles_hackett) Images of Marc "Tryndamere" Merrill Courtesy: Riot Games Cop Out - Tracy Morgan: "No!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg2u_De8j5o Courtesy: Warner Bros. Pictures NA LCS Spring and Summer 2016 event footage Courtesy: Riot Games DRIVE: The Reginald Story #LCSDrive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV3ttn_nLdE Courtesy: Riot Games TSM: Legends Season 2 - Episode 26 https://youtu.be/TwMXRqk-_Vs Courtesy: Team SoloMid TSM: Legends Season 2 - Episode 27 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm9lFuWCZ-E Courtesy: Team SoloMid A New Era of the NA LCS Begins https://youtu.be/bEPhIAxqav0 Courtesy: Riot Games Evolution of the NA LCS https://youtu.be/jtGLHmSa2lA Courtesy: Riot Games Overwatch League Royal Wedding clip https://youtu.be/bqb_FAqqdEM Courtesy: Overwatch League (YouTube) Hotrod "Where do you get off?" clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbu88CKkEzI Courtesy: Paramount Pictures Music used under license from Associated Production Music LLC (”APM”). Check out theScore esports on Android and iOS: Android: http://thesco.re/esportsAndroidYT iOS: http://thesco.re/esportsiOSYT Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/thescoreesports Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theScoreesports Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/theScoreesports Follow us on Snapchat: theScoreesports
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BadgerUKvideo (2 days ago)
I just can't understand why you'd want to format a sport in an anti-competitive communist framework. I get that America prefers the communist system. But they don't compete internationally and no other sport/ country on the planet has a communist system. I don't understand why they'd apply it to EU.
bboyzagy (3 days ago)
Garou: Mark of the Wolves in the background. Hehe, insta sub.
fr33ko (5 days ago)
you need to do an update for this a few years down the line for how the franchising efforts long term effects. Leagues like MLB, NHL, NBA, NFL have no risk of relegation. There are teams that are seemingly always good and on the other side there are teams that are chronically bad as well. When 4 teams out of 28+ are just going through the motions and taking their profit sharing to the bank it is easier to overlook them. However when 3 or 4 out of 10 teams are just not on any real level competitive outside of their own group of bottom feeders, that makes for a huge problem. There does not seem to be any incentive for those teams to improve either as their spots are guaranteed. This 2018 summer split there are only two teams that are behind the pack after week 4. Is that due to the lower teams playing each other and padding their stats with the wins over each other so far? When there is a 4 way tie for 1st and another 4 way tie for 5th I do not think this is good for the league. I personally feel that the nalcs needs to make sweeping changes. First they need to play meaningful games on more days than simply the weekend. Perhaps the academy teams can have a day to themselves to feature the potential future talent that will never really be developed (which is another problem with the lcs I will not get into here). Having best of 3 matches similar to LPL/LCK would allow for more talent to be put on display since subs could be used. 2 or 3 matches a day would allow for teams to be better prepared for each matchup as well. As an outside viewer, I see no reason why I would want to watch what the lcs (eu and na) has become.
MultiTwentyseven (8 days ago)
Liber Philosophus (10 days ago)
The lack of a franchising was a clear problem to anyone experienced with professional sports in general. No doubt riot was already considering it, but I suppose you can take credit if you want; it makes no difference.
Chim Ritchelds (11 days ago)
Fuck regi
eojgnoix (12 days ago)
Win Worlds and Gitgud. The resources are exactly the same to every single team on the planet. A computer and the game. What else do you need. If NA or the West in general haven't figured out to compete internationally and win, it is not Riots fault. But tbh riot is a shit company. Couldn't imagine representing them in a sport environment
jason hang (12 days ago)
Riot just got ducked
sadnanxious (13 days ago)
this guy just annoys the fuck out of me idk why.
José Henrique (14 days ago)
Regi probably would end up saying something about this even without you guys
naw nope (6 days ago)
well yea. the question was intended to be answered like "well changes to the game make it hard to practice a lot" scara had no idea regi was about to murder riot on camera
odi amador (16 days ago)
how not to be sarcastic
Evan Harmon (17 days ago)
It was like the Magna Carta of esports
Sydrel (17 days ago)
sup yo (18 days ago)
haha the clipped in clips were so funny and added to the vid hahahaha good job
Flame Road (21 days ago)
Wait...did Scarra get paid for this? Haha
Beckerzinho (23 days ago)
Lol wtf is this vid, stop smoking crack with Regi pls lmao So what has it changed? Riot just made the biggest change in meta in all those years, r.i.p. adcs They dont really care about pro scene that much, lets be real. What pay dev team, what pays servers? Is it esports? Hell no, its the RP players purchase. They couldn't give less of a flippin fuck. Esports help the popularity of the game but thats all By the way Regi should be glad he already got a champion based on him and stop being so salty when the fault for losing is his for thinking Bjerg is any good I wonder what will happen when esports die in West again like it happened with Startcraft, will Riot even care?
john gorman (25 days ago)
Crazy been watching you guys for years and just gave you the sub, I actually remember that tweet as it came out (being a tsm boy) and thank you guys for bringing to the table. Honestly if it weren’t for your media outlet and your pursuit to make a wonderful esports new channels. Regi wouldn’t have had a platform to talk about these issues. Even if it would’ve happened down the road I’m glad you guys made it happen ASAP. #love me some regi and theScore
john li (26 days ago)
franchising pretty much ended all hopes of NA being a strong region internationally
Mistbu (26 days ago)
They totally underplayed that interview. It was the most impactful interview in LCS history
Qajajajj W (26 days ago)
Cauz of you RIP Immortals :/
Nadrev Wat zit toya (26 days ago)
Good guy regi
Zephyrod (26 days ago)
There’s just one problem with franchising in my opinion: eventually it can be rather boring for viewers. The same 10 teams, absolutely no new entry, beautiful “from challenger to worlds” stories like Origen or Misfits can’t exist anymore
stretchchris1 (26 days ago)
Yanks can't hack sport. "franchising" is total bs.
Team Dongnitas (27 days ago)
Montechristo (back when hé was still involved un LoL) made a great pièce about this
Marty Mcfly 88MPH (27 days ago)
Great video guys. Keep it up
Drakshl (27 days ago)
Ofcourse you should usepro rel, the new system is awful.
Drakshl (27 days ago)
Tryndamere is also a lil bitch
hi gh (28 days ago)
Fking hate Regi lmao
Bernadett Bán (28 days ago)
It is so weird that EU gets almost no love even thought they are the ones that actually perform well, compared to NA, from year by year
Austin Ashcraft (2 days ago)
Its bc EU is POOR
Nhika (11 days ago)
They're the main playerbase for Dota 2, ofc they chase the money lol
FrenkHenk (17 days ago)
It is not where the money is... they follow the money man
Jeff Brunecz (29 days ago)
The narrator of this video is a noob hack. Over dramatic and factually inaccurate.
someoneonlylol (29 days ago)
Holy shit I had no idea regi was behind this
Banger 9000 (1 month ago)
Assasins need more dmg tbh
wints22 (1 month ago)
I know the credit taking is tongue-in-cheek humor, but adds nothing to this video and really just serves as an unnecessary and frankly unfunny distraction from what is otherwise a very well put together video.
Josh West (1 month ago)
Information is great, presentation and silly credit banter was dumb.
dajhonify (1 month ago)
The8thJester (1 month ago)
We all know Scarra is the real hero of the LCS.
VAYNE GOD (1 month ago)
why do they like to prolongate the video so much? so cringe
Nibir Das (1 month ago)
For the sake of everything that's good in this world STOP MOVING YOUR HANDS SO MUCH. And the alternate camera angle adds NOTHING to the video.
arbyssauce (1 month ago)
Regi and tsm can eat dicks. Your players should never find out they lost their jobs on reddit. Super unprofessional.
Sir Eugene (1 month ago)
irregular mana (1 month ago)
"I don't understand it, guess I'll pour a large quantity of money into it" - wonders why they lost money. It's league man, if shit stayed the same the game dies and then no one watches the game and LCS, iem, and worlds all go under. Sorry but at then end of the day you make a living playing fucking video games, STFU.
Double Scotch (1 month ago)
Little known fact, theScore esports invented esports.
Wojciech Kohut (4 days ago)
Maybe not totally invented but "kind of?", "sort of?"
Duane Doldrum (5 days ago)
Double Scotch bruh Quake even started without theScore existing yet. Lol
Salman Memehood (1 month ago)
[Riot]_Tryndamere VS [TSM]_Wukong
6lettersshadow (1 month ago)
The EU viewership tank had nothing to do with this issue, The core team of Deman and Joe "Joe Miller" Miller were the only good presenter and the core of production value together. They threw him away offering him half pay to train the pointless newer guys who arent fun to watch. He refused and is now combined with similar TF2 refugees like Sideshow now present Overwatch Deman WAS EU LCS presenting. Its pointless now. The 50 ward game, the 30k CLG.EU comeback, all deman Honestly its never been clearly exactly what they tried to do with him in the half pay contract it could do with a video
Some Dude (1 month ago)
Definitely not all score esports. IT WAS ALL SCARRA BABY! You were just lucky he was holding a mic with your name
Retard Targeted (1 month ago)
Can’t wait for the video on removing bo3 killing the lcs.
Austinpl0x (1 month ago)
So are we going to forget MonteCristo's crusade as well? After all he helped fight for more pay for casters and this franchising system.
Austinpl0x (24 days ago)
I know this. Im supporting Monte, not disrespecting him. :)
raven maximus (24 days ago)
Austinpl0x because of that he lost his investment as well, because he back-paid his former team because riot held his stipends check for months without reason. Tl;dr riot fucked monte because monte was pissing on their treatment of shoutcaster.
Artur Schneider (1 month ago)
Austinpl0x will always remember Monte, he the best
Sterben Saw (1 month ago)
Love me some Scarra
Akash Mahendra (1 month ago)
Love me some Regi.
Drwuwho (1 month ago)
Cool vid. But by god, that ending was way to cringy
Drew Patton (1 month ago)
love me some lebron
Azir (1 month ago)
They still have more they need to do. The prize pool for Worlds it's stupid. It should be much higher and there should be payouts for being the best in your region as well (or bigger ones if there isn't already). These payouts should go out to first, second, and third at least in the main regions. These kids are essentially risking their futures on this game. Many of them will not be able to just stream for a living after esports. I mean look at Chauster who kinda just works some 3rd rate job at some random place probably just making ends meet. They are providing entertainment on a level that is approaching if not overtaking some traditional sports. More than 40million watched the last Worlds in a packed out arena. You telling me that many viewrs only generates enough revenue for 5mil pool allowance? (so like 2mil for 1st i think) I DO NOT KNOW how much esports players make from just being on a team but I feel like if you aren't TSM (referring only to NA right now) you don't make much.
Azir (1 month ago)
I've heard the rumors too but where can I get some facts? lol. I just don't believe players are making that much not even the big names like DL and Bjersen (hence why DL left the pro scene for a while in the first place and even stated he made much more doing streams then being a pro) You say "if you compare salary" but WHERE ARE THE SALARIES? If there's no source it's just wishful thinking. Don't get me wrong, I hope they are making good salary (although I think your guess of 6-digits is bogus, I'd cap Bjerg out at 50k and that's with all his sponsorships). The main plus just being that they don't have to really pay for food or living which maybe is something they try to factor into why they don't expand the prize pool. (Fun fact: Fun facts need to be facts not rumors :/ )
Silent Shadows (1 month ago)
That is the case from before but you have to realize that the salary of player nowadays are a lot lot lot higher if I remember correctly the minimum is 6 digits now, now if you're comparing the prize pool of DOTA 2 for example the reasoning that it's not as big of a deal is because if you compare salary LoL as a game is much more stable for everyone despite DOTA 2 having such a massive prize pool doesn't signify anything. (Fun fact: salary can go up to 1 million rumors of TL Impact having that salary)
Robert Young (1 month ago)
I love this channel and the quality of the content, but for the love of God man, please tone down the hand-talking! <3
Abominable Weaver (1 month ago)
Love me some cringe 0:30
Turbo Onion (1 month ago)
Reginald is the worst player in LSC history. Period.
Raphael Okoye (24 days ago)
Logic yes but he was the worst midlander when he was on teamliquid
Logic (24 days ago)
Raphael Okoye I watched GoldenGod solo kill PoE. Your joke isn't that funny given the current context of the LCS
Raphael Okoye (1 month ago)
Turbo Onion dude have you watched Goldenglue?
Maibuwolf (1 month ago)
What? He was rank #1 on the ladder for some time. He was also the best mid in NA for a couple of splits. He was never among the best in the world but he was far from the worst lcs player ever. You can hate him if you choose but you cannot tell blatant lies that when it can easily be fact checked.
Artur Schneider (1 month ago)
Turbo Onion Doesnt make him less as a manager or team owner. But yeah he was crap xd
Huy Le (1 month ago)
Reginald is ugly as fuck
peffiSC2source (1 month ago)
The delta between the score esports and other reporting is pretty big right now (love me some travis though)
Des1red SNNA (1 month ago)
Why no Rocket league coverage?
Sir Plato Butt (1 month ago)
Man seeing Noah Whinston tweeting #LCSForever made me sad. Rip Immortals you have been mortalled
ChanJustWon (1 month ago)
I cant help but cringe at this guys hand movement e.o
Renz Dale Go (1 month ago)
It was Saint Scarra the patron saint of feeding and warding bushes that asked the question that shook the very foundations of R!T0
Ffennell Marcial (1 month ago)
Love me some damage control.
Yassen Elsayed (1 month ago)
Love me some daniel rosen <3
Daniel Rosen (1 month ago)
Hey I love you too man
Robish Ream (1 month ago)
his words use is on point.
Jens Mortensen (1 month ago)
Franchising isnt necessarily a good thing. Relegation and promotion is one of the most entertaining things to watch. Football (soccer) is doing just fine without franchising
MarkEz DEZ (1 month ago)
Jens Mortensen I’m no expert but I’m pretty sure CS:GO has better stipends whereas Lol esports is practically non-existent. And for American players getting paid more, I’m not 100% certain, but it has to do with EU’s geography as there’s so many esports teams in different countries. NA esports is central to the US, no border. CLG use to be a EU team, until they made the decision to move to NA cause better money.
Jens Mortensen (1 month ago)
MarkEz DEZ That logic does in no way apply to CS:GO that proves more money and fans doesnt eqaul better teams. American teams pay so much compared to european ones in esport and fnatic and nip habe huge fanbases. Yet its been SK and Astralis who have been dominant in the past 2-3 years
MarkEz DEZ (1 month ago)
Yes but esports teams are not bound to a state or country. It's a popularity contest, being the most popular will be the most successful. Whereas, the bottom teams are left to collect dust.
john doe (1 month ago)
but i do however LOVE your channel THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO
Alberto Cejas (1 month ago)
Love me some too thescore esport. Didnt know that story
john doe (1 month ago)
Regi is such a douchebag. playing for TSM while he was still hands on wouldve been so much cancer. remember that video of him shit talking wildturtle right in front of him? hes just completely un-self aware. fuck regi
Thank you Scarra for that great interview.
FunTimeMonkey 209 (1 month ago)
Thescore is the buzzfeed of esports, but in a good way.
Wilson Chen (1 month ago)
Thorin “hehe love me some regi”
Wilson Chen (1 month ago)
atrain 34007 (1 month ago)
This channel blows.
what the (1 month ago)
too bad reggis still a toxic bitch
Sodium Hypochlorite (1 month ago)
Love me some Regi
Richard Gray (1 month ago)
It was def scarra. He wrote his own questions. Lol
Johnlloyd Ricardo (1 month ago)
LeBron James looks cute in that bowling ball falling😂
Stephon Cruz (1 month ago)
Good video, annoying play on taking credit.
Stephon Cruz (1 month ago)
I know hes kidding, it's still an annoying play on it, especially how long and often it was brought up. Just took away from the video for me.
Artur Schneider (1 month ago)
It was so blatant and sort of sarcastic that you really have to think he was kidding. Thats just me tho, might be wrong
Warren Clayson (1 month ago)
Dota over league
CyberShinobi (1 month ago)
Now the next problem...how to get teams in LCS to represent cities in America like Overwatch.
hidesk dwi (1 month ago)
CyberShinobi that should never happen Since players are alredy in teams they would just stay with the team instead of moving to there home team. Making the name pointlesss. since the la team wont have people from la. This would never happen but If riot region locked it players would be forced to split teams which would be worse. It works in sports because its always been thay way and teams practice in there home city.
Desmond Martin (1 month ago)
Story of team Apex or Dignitas!
Tiago Monteiro (1 month ago)
I pretty much watch all of this channel's content, and this guy is by far the best! Good job bros.
Griffin Tubridy (1 month ago)
Your videos are great but this guy who I haven’t seen before can’t do the talking, his voice and gestures are not fit for this scene. Now being said he did put together a nice informational video but he needs to be the guy behind the scenes not presenting it
Carlo Ratto (1 month ago)
Love me some scarra with the questions that really matter.
daraxiong19 (1 month ago)
But it broke my heart because Immortals didn't make the cut even though they helped push for franchising.
Logic (24 days ago)
Immortals was factually turned down because of financial dangers. They had alot of debt on there shoulders and were actively investing in other esports with that debt. Franchising was not for financially troubled organizations it was for experienced organizations. The Esport is better for it
chris hauge (1 month ago)
It didn't have the backing or the financial to make that money.
Daniel Keough (1 month ago)
IIRC Immortals got denied because they just purchased a $20 million OWL spot.
john doe (1 month ago)
and now we have fucking golden guardians instead. fuck that noise 100 thieves is dope tho
J Harriger (1 month ago)
This. IMT got royally screwed because Riot wanted NBA buyers and wouldn't reward one of the most successful new franchises. Now IMT is the first Esports franchise to get a shoe deal on top of landing other major sponsors. Riot can suck it and LCS can burn.
Philipp Wodenutscharow (1 month ago)
Fuck me Daniel is godlike narrator
Hodds .31832 (1 month ago)
After season one of OWL, we need to talk about Shanghai Dragons. I think it is important in all of sports.
Zendrex (1 month ago)
Thanks theScore, luv you BB ❤️
tnightwolf (1 month ago)
LoL "pro-players" can't adapt and Riot owners are shaite!...wow what a surprise! LOOOOOL
john doe (1 month ago)
imagine the NBA or NFL kept changing the rules every few weeks.....there would be way more outcry than this, believe me..... your a fucking dumbass, tnightwolf
tnightwolf (1 month ago)
Jeff Li Bronze as a rank in a esports videogame LUL
Jeff Li (1 month ago)
I guess a bronze player like you wouldn't understand.
K-Redwolf (1 month ago)
Love me some stories
TrieMond (1 month ago)
Scarra <3
R1DH (1 month ago)
The feud that changed theScore esports @Daniel_Rosen vs @McNeilColin
Daniel Rosen (1 month ago)
I second this. Colin would probably win in the end, but I'm scrappy, I could go a few rounds.
Colin McNeil (1 month ago)
Oh shit. If we hold a no-holds barred wrestling deathmatch and film it, would you watch?
Ajeet Singh (1 month ago)
Doesn't matter if EU players leave for NA because they turn out to be worst than they were in EU. Also EU does better on the international stage showing to us that money can't buy success.
tuburcio palangelay (6 days ago)
DaJuan Wells Yes Rift rivals indeed Kappapride
Duane Doldrum (17 days ago)
Well I don't blame them. NA server's a much bigger market/marketing tool than EU server. They could probably care less of what they look like, how they perform, what to do, and all. They're garnering fame and millions.
DaJuan Wells (27 days ago)
Butttttt, Rift Rivals though?? You're welcome, scrubs.
WoolTec Mc (27 days ago)
I mean. They're consistently besting NA at making it out of groups. H2K's run at 2016 worlds wasn't half bad either. Fnatic and Origin tied 3rd at 2015. Doesn't seem "fucking bad" to me
Marty Mcfly 88MPH (27 days ago)
EU has done fucking bad at world's since season 1 in phreaks basement and season 4 fnatic
simon karlsson (1 month ago)
You deserve a like for what you did, good job
Michiel Tibben (1 month ago)
If the score esports takes credit for franchising. That means they take credit for the murder of immortals. #boycotthescore (jk loved the video)
BadgerUKvideo (2 days ago)
The communist league system is actually lifted from American sports. None of their leagues operate a competition based system. I know it sounds crazy, but for Americans, communism in sports is actually the standard.
roger angelil (14 days ago)
They also own the old brk roster in the r6 siege latam region
Taylor Bates (24 days ago)
Spencer Rosario-McCabe Their heavy investment into Overwatch is why they didn't get a franchise tag for LCS.
KostasNotKolsas (26 days ago)
mibr > La valiant
dajhonify (1 month ago)
mobgma (1 month ago)
Love me some Regi...and eScore esports
More relevant than ever lul
Wayne Jia (1 month ago)
definitely us
Seth Vint (1 month ago)
Reminds me of the song "one child can change the world", with the child in this case being the owner of one of the most popular orgs in the NA league.
trollnene (1 month ago)
LoveMe some theScore esports 👌
obikiller1 (1 month ago)
LoveME some the Score esports
Sirk (1 month ago)
Love me some Regi.

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