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Mass Effect 2 - Jack and Miranda argue, and solved with a full paragon bar. Video details: * 286.64mb * 1920x1080 * Highest settings available * Audio: 320kbps INFO You get the conflict between Jack and Miranda after you have both completed their loyalty missions (it doesn't matter which one first). They will be yelling at each other about something that Cerberus did wrong (again) and you need to talk them down. This can be done by either choosing one of the 2 members (by which you lose the loyalty from the other member that was not choosen), or charm/intimidate with paragon or renegade (I chose paragon). It is recommended that you have a near-full bar of paragon to keep both their loyalty as you need more paragon than renegade to be able to pick up the charm option. Otherwise you will lose this member during the suicide mission, not giving you the No One Left Behind achievement which is still a nice add-on in the achievements. NOTE: The suit I wear comes with the Kasumi - Stolen Memory DLC My Computer: - Windows 7 Premium - CPU (Processor) - Intel Quad Core i7 860 @ 2.80GHz - GPU (Graphics Card) - ATI Radeon HD 5870 (1Gig) - Memory - 4 Gigabite (2x2gig) - Soundcard: ASUS Xonar D2 - Monitor - SyncMaster B2230 (Full HD / 70000:1 Dynamic Contrast / (1920x1080)
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Justin Conrad (5 months ago)
Yes Miranda looks like a supermodel but when it comes to biotics Jack wins hands down
connor kennway (4 months ago)
bitch please samara can kill jack and miranda in no time she's the most powerful biotic in galaxy
Lance Curry (8 months ago)
Take pictures!
odstarmor557 (9 months ago)
I hate the fucking morality system in this game. I never have enough for this fucking part for either paragon or renegade despite playing every mission (including dlc) before i recruit legion and i still fall short. I could have my paragon up to the half way mark on the final segment but because i have a little bit of renegade i get screwed and it takes forever to fill it up to gain their loyalty. Basically if you want to solve this fight you need to play the game as either completely paragon or renegade which is boring as fuck.
DoctorTalon (8 months ago)
odstarmor557 The renegade and paragon persuasion is also scaled to your level. What I did is I finished ME1 at the lowest level possible but with the most renegade and paragon points to start ME2. I avoided gaining levels and even kept Grunt frozen until these missions could be accessed. By the time this came around, I had the option for both persuasions since the bars were considered high enough for my level. This method can only work if you just hopped over from ME1. It was a broken system...
Last Gen Gamers (10 months ago)
I hate Miranda so god damn much. Greater than thou mentality. Jack has anger issues but after the shit she's been through it makes sense.
Ben McD (2 years ago)
I Imported my ME1 Shepard for this game. I currently have 3 full bars of Paragon. How much do I need for the charm option?
persanguis (1 year ago)
You won't be able to tell from the bar if you can use the charm option. It depends on how far you are in the game and how many Paragon points you have gotten so far versus how many points are available at that point of the game.
GSweet2Regret666 (2 years ago)
There's different outcomes for the Suicide Mission at the End of the game. 1) Go completely Paragon. 2) Go completely Renegade. 3) Have all members Loyal 4) Just have most of the crew loyal with the option of choosing either Miranda or Jack during the argument. 5) During the Suicide Mission when selecting characters to be Leader make sure they're "Loyal" without any mistakes. 6) Watch the cutscenes 7) Don't let them "DIE" 8) SAVE YOUR GAME before the Suicide Mission. 9) Just keep replaying until you notice they don't die. 10) QUIT BITCHING about How to Play?
Lukáš Jirman (1 year ago)
if you dont have one of them loyal ..tehy still die ... no matter how many time you try last mission
Ramon Araneta (2 years ago)
What if i did jacks loyalty mission first
Unknown One (1 year ago)
Ramon Araneta oh and me not doin g jack loyalty doesn't affect me3
Unknown One (1 year ago)
Ramon Araneta what i did was just only mirandas loyalty and didnt do jack good thing i make saves before each mission i was confused when that fight screwed me over
persanguis (1 year ago)
The order doesn't matter. They will argue as soon as both of their loyalty missions are completed.
Nadir Bait Saleem (2 years ago)
I never have enough Paragon for that.
Jennifer Hurlbert (2 years ago)
same with me and I lost Miranda's loyalty.
(sigh) I couldn't do that options because a little bit of renegade like WTF I pick miranda over jack but that ruined her loyalty. this totally won't effect the Suicide mission or mass effect 3 either : D
YouthForJFK (4 years ago)
I have enough renegade to help them both but..I always choose miranda anyways :p She's a more in depth character and she's not annoying as hell.
mitomen2000 (2 years ago)
+YouthForJFK More depth ? Hahaha ..Miranda is a walking vagina ..at least Jack has a story and a character arch.
Scott Cameron (3 years ago)
+Judge Dredd I had been thinking of playing it again. Maybe I will =)
Scott Cameron (3 years ago)
+Spot Light Both personalities in 1 package? U lucky bastard =D
Judge Dredd (3 years ago)
+Scott Cameron you should romance jack in mass effect 2. Under that monster is a scared little girl. But you have to go full paragon on her.
Spot Light (3 years ago)
+Scott Cameron to me Tali and Liara remind me of my girl friend
Well there is a way to keep everyone alive I discovered. If you successfully keep your crew alive when you need somebody to escort the Normandy crew back get Mordin with his Loyalty to escort them. You should have no worries on having the rest of your team dying.
YouthForJFK (4 years ago)
It's not hard at all. Just do all the loyalty missions and all the ship upgrades
iRivasTV (4 years ago)
the only reason to use the blue conversation is to not have relationship miranda or jack
Well even if I don't have the blue conversation I choose who I like the most. Jack is just an awesome character with some epic moments and has an interesting backstory.
JCDedman (4 years ago)
You can do this as early as lvl. 14 w/ around 60% filled paragon and 3rd specialization level
Osric44 (4 years ago)
So basically you need a full Paragon Bar to get this option, I'm only a hair away from a full bar...
Silver Lobo (1 year ago)
I solved problem by doing loyalty missions as early as possible.
shaq0071 (2 years ago)
+Silver Lobo just do side missions and dlc's if u have them to get full bar
Silver Lobo (4 years ago)
I got same problem, im tired of having to choose sides, then watch as either miranda or jack is killed in final mission.
blairwitchprojects (4 years ago)
Pervert Shepard: ladies we can solve this with revenge sex!
GamerGod186 (4 years ago)
How much paragon was needed to solve this?
12LoLproductions (5 years ago)
Did anybody take pictures.
Cody Myer (5 years ago)
I've had my Paragon bar almost all the way up except for about half that last little segment and less than a quarter segment in my Renegade bar, and I STILL can't pick this option
Eliza1a4 (5 years ago)
>:3 i brought miranda on jack's loyaty mission... ON PURPOSE!!!
eragon2121 (5 years ago)
That outfit on Miranda is fucking amazing.
nixx1217 (5 years ago)
Besides, if you look past the bitchiness, actually get to know her, and do her loyalty mission, you'll see that she's just a regular person who has been genetically altered to be the "perfect person," but doesn't want to be the "perfect person." And if that's not enough, then her tits and ass, which are way better than Jack's, should be.
nixx1217 (5 years ago)
I realy don't think Miranda's a bitch at all; sure she is at the beginning of the game, but, once she's on the Normandy, the bitch side goes away in an instant.
Sexy Boogalo Man (5 years ago)
Just be a good guy.
noob (5 years ago)
Where can I get paragon? I have a very low paragon. ==,
KeybladeWXV (5 years ago)
I hate this part of the game I can't win I like Miranda and I really thought I had done enough to gain the paragon choice so now jack is screwed
stitchfan08 (5 years ago)
how do i get the good one i can't seem to get it
shaq0071 (5 years ago)
i had 80% paragon and 12% renegade nd paragon didnt show up
Gergana Minkova (5 years ago)
A better asS indeed .
Miku Hatsune (5 years ago)
lol same thought for me here...mirandas an anoying bitch so i chose the crazy bald girl..well atleast her face isnt made out of plastic
rockmatias (5 years ago)
Damn, thanks man! now I know what it went wrong. I was never able to solve the situation without sacrificing jack (I would never loose miranda´s loyalty!)
Benign59MB (5 years ago)
Jacks crazy due to Cerburus torturing her. Understandable. Miranda......Well, yeah she's a bitch! Jack's awesome in my book and worth defending.
Mwahaha105 (5 years ago)
I'm choosing Miranda.
GeonExMachina (5 years ago)
I sided with jack but I want miranda's loyalty back. How do i fill up my Paragon bar as best as I can? PS: It's too late for me to do the glitch thing with Samara.
mackattack309 (5 years ago)
how big a paragon do you have to be?
Rockabilly Rebel (5 years ago)
Miranda is the bestttt
ваш友達Локи (5 years ago)
Pause at 0:13, Miranda plainly doesn't give a fuck
spironhide (5 years ago)
I chose Jack just after I gained Miranda's loyalty due Jack surely went through more abusing and I just helped Miranda .
jadeyes914 (5 years ago)
jack has a better face.
AJTyler16 (5 years ago)
tru that...
GamingReviews (5 years ago)
However, Miranda has a better ass
Rookz (5 years ago)
Again. It's not about having a full paragon bar. I had more than 4/5 bars and I still couldn't charm my way out of it. What I'm saying is that you need to do their mission as soon as possible. And before you do them, just use Paragon response in every piece of dialogue you come across leading up to the loyalty mission that sets off the fight (either one, Jack or Miranda loyalty mission).
Hyperpandas (5 years ago)
It depends. Have you taken most of the paragon choices you could have by this point? If so, the side missions could help if the they have paragon choices in them. But if there are no more paragon choices and/or you've missed a bunch, then no. Don't worry though, you'll have a second chance to smooth things over after the fight. But you have another fight between two different crew coming, so make sure you take every paragon option from here on out.
Rookz (5 years ago)
What I learned is that you have to do the loyalty missions as soon as possible. Game doesn't count how much paragon/renegade you have total. It counts how much you have versus how much you have been "offered" if that makes sense. Like if you had the option to take paragon/renegade action 10 times, and took paragon 4 times and stayed neutral 5 times and took 1 renegade, you won't pass the "test". You need to have at least 7/10 of either paragon or renegade.
builder396 (5 years ago)
Take a vid!
CMYK Technicolor (6 years ago)
I believe that you need 4 Bars filled for either to unlock one of the options
Owen St john (6 years ago)
I need help because i didnt have enough paragon at the time to use the paragon option in this arguement so i chose jack, god knows why :/. I want to make up with miranda and to do that i need full paragon which i have but it wont let me. HELP PLEASE!!!!!!!!
Rik Bakker (4 months ago)
Owen St john the key is this: between Horizon and the collector ship, you can do 5 missions. You can build your team or you can do loyalty missions. In this time you Miranda's mission. After the collector ship, as one of the last missions before the Reaper IFF you do Jack's mission. Then the paragon dialogue will open up
Hyperpandas (6 years ago)
yeah, that's not true. it's the proportion of paragon or renegade points you have out of the points you could have had up until that point in your game. it has nothing to do with comparing your renegade and paragon points together.
Rookz (6 years ago)
Thanks. I've since looked it up, and you're correct. What counts is the % of paragon/renegade points you've gotten out of the points that have been "offered" so far. Either way I saved everyone despite Jack losing her loyalty. (Couldn't side with Jack, because come on...Miranda...dat ass!) Surprisingly I was able to deal with Legion/Tali confrontation in all my playthroughs without going out of my way to do so.
Hyperpandas (6 years ago)
You might be boned, but try searching the Bioware forums for "Maintaining Loyalty for Jack/Miranda and Legion/Tali Confrontations" (google should find it). The claim (apparently confirmed by a BioWare developer) is that the % of paragon/renegade options you take of those that you could have potentially taken so far is the key. If true, doing the loyalty missions earlier's probably better than later, since waiting means you'll probably miss more paragon/renegade options.
Pamulean (6 years ago)
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMNNNNNN!!!!......=| that suck and in fact i Reloaded my Vista ALL MY JOB IS GONE!!!!IS there a cheat please let me know <=(
MrRedOrBlue TV (6 years ago)
@Rookz The same thing is happening to me to
Rookz (6 years ago)
Seriously what the fuck. I have been doing this playthrough being a complete pussy. My Paragon score is 3 full bars and then some, and Renegade not even 1 bar and I still don't get the fucking option to settle them down. For fuck's sake this is pissing me off.
Mike Harrington (6 years ago)
omg thank you so much!! who did you chose to go into vents and lock the door and who did you chose as your final team for that big human alien thing?
LauritzGaming (6 years ago)
So this is the second time i get to this.. First time i fucked up with paragon AND renagade. So the bars was the same amount of full.. Now i got ONLY Paragon at 4 bars allmost 5.. And i STILL cant choose the paragon Dialogue.. I think Its because i did not do the two Loyalty missions before going to the collector ship who fucked the first normandy, So DO THE LOYALTY MISSIONS BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE!!
GamingReviews (6 years ago)
Doing every mission only is not enough. You should literally do about EVERY mission AND assignment BEFORE this encounter...
Xcaliburz (6 years ago)
i cant get the option of this is a distaction how much blue paragon do i need to have i play a good paragon and i talk to both of them after every misstion and still can not get it some one tell me to talk to them alot and i did
GamingReviews (6 years ago)
Well, it doesn't really matter how much paragon OR renegade you are depending on what faction you have chosen to go for. If you choose to be a full-time paragon character to obtain all paragon dialogues, then it doesn't matter how much renegade you have (however, it's unlikely you'll have a full paragon bar if you have half a renegade bar w(ithout cheating)) Vise evrsa for renegade, as if you have a renegade characters, then it doesn't matter how much paragon you have :)
ProfessorGames (6 years ago)
So it doesn't matter how renegade you are?
BoBTheEND (6 years ago)
@DeathGhost809 Paragon/Renegade work differently than most games. Rather than going off a set number (a la Fallout), they instead calculate the number of areas you have entered, and all Paragon/Renegade points you can POSSIBLY earn. From that number, they create a percentage off Paragon/Renegade points needed to pass a speech check. The issue with many people is that they enter so many areas that they have too many points lost, and cannot earn.
G3n3ralHawk (6 years ago)
U know the coolest thing happened to me after this, I chose Jack over Miranda cause I didn't have enough paragon even though it was a full bar, and I lost loyalty with Miranda but during the Suicide Mission, nobody died, I was so happy :)
medo sam (6 years ago)
@JorisCeoen and what if it happen when i dont have enough paragnon, how i would raise the paragnon again?
GamingReviews (6 years ago)
@azeraiga Exactly
Angry Weasels (6 years ago)
i lost Miranda's loyalty here and still got all survived. Just only every pick loyal members on the choice screens
cadvan6 (6 years ago)
I hate the morality system of this game, don't get me wrong - the game is freaking awesome, but if you screw up your moral alignment slightly, then the whole thing ends up screwed and you can't choose either option (yet that only seems true for this particular scenario, its happened to me twice ffs).
Gauzl (6 years ago)
I have 100% paragon and less then id say 20% renegade and i cant redeem mirandas loyalty, I didnt have the option to aside with both of them in the argument so i sided with jack. When i talk to miranda, both paragon and renegade options are there but i cant click on either.
undercop5567 (6 years ago)
Even though I have more than 80% paragon, it didn't give me the persuade option, and I had to side with Jack because it seemed more right than siding with Miranda. Then Miranda would just tell me to go away whenever I tried to talk to her, again I couldn't use persuade options, and she died during the suicide mission. ...Well then
mcryan07 (6 years ago)
I have the highest paragon and I still don't get this option. please help
Aska2468 (6 years ago)
@JorisCeoen No, you have to do them both BEFORE the Collector Ship, I had a problem with it too but then I did both loyalties before the collector ship and all worked well.
LetYaThink (6 years ago)
@TheFarmero14 yeah.. it's about the proportion between the two scores. The paragon-approach is unlocked if the paragonscore is about at least 3 times higher than the renegadescore. It also works the other way around. In my first playthrough I was confused as well ^^. Thumbs up, so people get it.
mcryan07 (6 years ago)
I would if either of them will still be pissed at you in mass effect 3
Jak Mar (6 years ago)
@CrasherKhoo lmao. gotta love joker.
Ycent (6 years ago)
Can you get MIranda back l8tr in the game if u side with Jack in that argument?
Jia En Khoo (6 years ago)
Joker: Take Pictures! LOL
jpkrox (6 years ago)
@JorisCeoen - Thanks :)
GamingReviews (6 years ago)
@jpkrox Hmmmm, I don't know the quickest way... I would rather do ALL the assignments and missions BEFORE this can happen to be sure to have everything with certainity. Using the paragon options will secure both loyalties and will keep romance with any of the 2
jpkrox (6 years ago)
@JorisCeoen - What's the best and quickest way to get your Paragon score up to the required level ? And does using the Paragon option have any effect on your romance with Miranda ? And will there be repurcussions later in the game if you solve the fight peacefully ?
James Tan (6 years ago)
Seems there's several outcomes for this. From Mass Effect wikia If the initial Blue Paragon option doesn't show. - Choosing Jack over Miranda (option 1, it would gain her trust) But her romance with you would be deleted. If it's Miranda over Jack - choosing option 1 (top, would gain her respect back) But the romance session would be deleted. Though, you would probably need a high enough paragon for these conversations to appear.
TheFarmero14 (6 years ago)
I have both perk and highest paragon And it still didnt work
Grinder (6 years ago)
@JorisCeoen no, you need 70% of the available paragon options from every place you have visited. technically, you could complete it with less than half a bar if you fill up shep's class mastery bar, giving 100% of the paragon you already have, doubling it. also, importing a 100% Par/Ren from ME1 makes it significantly easier
Punisher4bmw (6 years ago)
@osmdude101 Yea but wtf man its not enough even if i do everything the ''good'' way i dont get full paragorn not even till the end of the game OMFG and if you start a new game + you get your paragorn reset
GamingReviews (6 years ago)
@UNSCmarine51 High or not, if you can pick it, you keep them, but you NEED a VERY HIGH, IF NOT HIGHEST 100% to get the option
UNSCmarine51 (6 years ago)
So if I have a high Paragon level and I pick the Paragon dialogue option, I will keep them both loyal?
GamingReviews (6 years ago)
@jurebmv I'm sorry for this inconvenience, but many ME profiles seem to be buggy sometimes, blame BioWare, not me :S
GamingReviews (6 years ago)
@jurebmv Of course. The point of this argue is that you must contain both of their loyalties. If they weren't loyal, this dialogue couldn't appear.
FOXHOUND86 (6 years ago)
The weird thing is I was playing as Femshep once with only 60% paragon and 40% renegade and I still somehow got the charm option.
Cody E (6 years ago)
wow, paragon shep is such a pussy.
osmdude101 (6 years ago)
GamingReviews (6 years ago)
@enjoiryan7 Nope, if you are talking about the relationship, once you lose her trust, it's over. Please watch you language though ;)
enjoiryan7 (6 years ago)
If i lose mirandas trust can i atleast still fuck her?
Louie Macorncan (6 years ago)
how I earn lots good or should I keep wearing the death helm? I've been doing this alot and trying hard as I could to keep things good.
Castern (6 years ago)
@JorisCeoen how do i regain jack loyalty? after the argue
Alejandro Diaz (7 years ago)
Haha I just did this part no problem :)
stealedmango (7 years ago)
For god's sake!What was Jack doing there anyway?She always stays in on deck 4 and why she walked right into Miranda's office?What is that that like keep your friends close and your enemies even closer?
GamingReviews (7 years ago)
@thatweirdchild100 Nope, but if you go to the masseffect wikia and type "Paragon" or "Morality" in the search bar, you will get all the information you wish for :)
thatweirdchild100 (7 years ago)
can you give hotspots for getting paragon points?
GamingReviews (7 years ago)
@BasicsDimensions Almost a full paragon bar. There is always a debate on wether you need a full (100%) or nearly full (Assume 95% or above). to MAKE SURE YOU GET THE OPTION, go for 100%, have almost NO renegade (You will of course have some, but very, very low). That's the only sure way :)
Jaime Ruiz (7 years ago)
its so sad. if you use garrus to take comtrol of team b he gets all fucked up and barely survives. if you use anyone but him in certain parts theyll die. the part where the blue bitch is holding up a shield. if you have thane. he dies haha
newbrood87 (7 years ago)
@JorisCeoen damn it i dont want her to die just yet i havent had sex with her!... sigh i guess jack will do...she will do....
GamingReviews (7 years ago)
@newbrood87 There is an option LATER which can recoincile them, but you MUST have a full paragon bar by that time. However, it is honest to know that this is randomly, since many people report that the rare second paragon option still doesn't show up... When that happens, be angry at BioWare :S
newbrood87 (7 years ago)
halp how do i regain miranda's loyalty?

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