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A Comprehensive History of Source 2

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Install Alliance NOW and get 50,000 gold and 50 gems! iOS - http://bit.ly/2oU2pja Android - http://bit.ly/2p1XgVg Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/valvenewsnetwork Watch my Streams : http://www.twitch.tv/valvenewsnetwork Steam Group : http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VNN Today on Valve News Network, we take a look at the entire history of Valve apparent upcoming game engine, Source 2. We cover every official mention, announcement, and most important, leaks. Sources : http://www.valvesoftware.com/company/ https://web.archive.org/web/20100610231257/http://www.vg247.com:80/2010/06/08/rumor-valves-e3-surprise-is-source-engine-2/ http://www.develop-online.net/features/1191/Valve-on-Source-and-studio-culture http://www.gaminglives.com/2011/10/13/counterstrike-global-offensive-interview-with-chet-faliszek/ http://www.valvetime.net/threads/new-reference-to-alyx-vance-episode-three-found-in-sfm-code.215293/ http://www.valvetime.net/threads/next-gen-source-2-engine-is-in-development.215336/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkR1O3j6SFI http://www.valvetime.net/threads/updated-half-life-3-left-4-dead-3-source-2-much-more-found-on-valve-project-tracker.243580/ https://imgur.com/a/b5dIf http://www.valvetime.net/threads/valve-jira-database-accessed-once-more-hl3-l4d3-source-2-groups-expand.243965/ https://www.neogaf.com/threads/l4d3-source-2-reveal.758999/ https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1zkfmv/wearea_videogame_developer_aua/cfufdfl/?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2cv5os/so_the_workshop_tools_isnt_just_a_modding/ https://web.archive.org/web/20150223235521/http://store.steampowered.com/universe/ https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-announces-source-2-will-release-it-for-free-to-content-developers/ https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/03/04/source-2-is-actually-free-like-for-free/ http://www.mandatory.com/culture/831045-valve-portal-vr-demo-shows-source-2-engine-action https://steamdb.info/blog/vulkan-the-future-graphics/ https://www.pcgamesn.com/dota-2/dota-2-reborn-is-valves-huge-new-source-2-engine-update http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/09/09/dota-2-now-valves-first-ever-source-2-game https://github.com/SteamDatabase/GameTracking/blob/0dd82bbf7db9c0bde3f045e337544eeeb7038595/373301/game/core/tools/help/fgd/hl3.txt https://www.gamesradar.com/whats-going-on-new-half-life-3-left-4-dead-rumours/ https://www.polygon.com/2016/6/8/11868324/valve-rolls-out-free-vr-creation-tool-for-new-workshop https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/07/dota-2-releases-full-vr-spectator-suite-just-in-time-for-the-international/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Gaben/comments/5olhj4/hi_im_gabe_newell_ama/dck7yd7/?context=3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpaNnX_9Q5s https://www.roadtovr.com/htc-valve-still-committed-making-three-vr-full-games/ http://toucharcade.com/2018/03/13/valve-has-dota-2-and-the-source-2-engine-running-on-mobile-devices-other-mobile-ports-are-possible/ Music : https://soundcloud.com/mattdeguia https://orcavibes.bandcamp.com/track/gypsy-2 soundcloud.com/tymubeats www.instagram.com/dylanlytw/ open.spotify.com/album/5HXY12B4yw1DI1yq5BEUeJ soundcloud.com/matthewsteinlauf https://soundcloud.com/aricogle https://open.spotify.com/artist/45Ui3GdcxzbdJhhTtZLXO8 https://soundcloud.com/fragile-touch https://soundcloud.com/squidb3a My Social Media : Twitter : https://twitter.com/ValveNewsNetwor Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/valvenewsnetwork/ Waffler Weekly : goo.gl/Fm28Ge
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Nathan Mendenhall (3 hours ago)
Click to skip ad >> 0:42
kloadit (15 days ago)
Source 2 episode 1
Ninjagai (21 days ago)
Turns out it is a card game engine. Best engine for card games ever.
Masełko TV (1 month ago)
10:16 oh man Gabe looks like some Santa Claus man XD
Datmudkipify | Gaming (1 month ago)
Really everyone just wants CS:GO to be on Source 2. I want shinier knives.
John Perkins (1 month ago)
Is L4D2 Authoring tools/ SDK (source1) worth using for a game project or should I jump on the UE4 wagon? Yes, I'll be importing my own 3D characters and prop models. You see, I like how straight forward Source seems testing a playable map/mod without much programming. However, I know UE4 has no limitations, but requires small knowledge of programming even w/ blue prints. Also, L4D2 has the sketchup plug-in. I'm well versed in Maya, blender, zbrush, and PS.
Clinton Cook (1 month ago)
Hm. Another item to add to our Valve Time clock, along with HL3.
Tech Freak (1 month ago)
Um, excuse me, CDs in this house are used because of their practicality (you actually OWN them and put them on anything and don't have to worry about storage.)
CPU Virtualization (2 months ago)
What about tf2? It never was added to source 2
_ _ (2 months ago)
Gabe Newell wants to release a top tier engine and sizing up the competition im glad hes not rushing into it and feeling like he has to release something for the sake of releasing
_ _ (2 months ago)
yea I remember that 2010 making announcements already for source 2 engine unveiling... I cri evertime.
Cant wait for hl2dm on source 2 <3
grafimir Gmr umm ur righ but i mean something like blur everything at least like 100m :( i sorry for my bad eng
grafimir Gmr (2 months ago)
I think Motion Blur is already there in Source but I may be wrong... Well, with older titles on Source 2, I'd say good luck. Valve has seemingly forgotten about them. They probably will be porting their most popular titles like CSGO and TF2 and also port things like Half-Life 2, Left 4 Dead 2 and Portal 2. But with HL2DM, Counter-Strike Source and Day of Defeat Source there is little possibility. Valve has pretty much forgotten about them and specificly with CS Source's case, if Valve's going to port CSGO, there's no need to port another Counter-Strike game. Also, since these games are really old, even if they are ported, there's a chance they will end up like Half-Life Source, in which it was also ported from GoldSrc to Source and it was broken.
grafimir Gmr all i need is better shaders or motion blur
grafimir Gmr (2 months ago)
Well, that would be Half-Life 3 Deathmatch... Or if they do port over the older games to Source 2, that would cause problems with the naming. Counter-Strike Source would be CS Source 2, Day of Defeat Source would be DoD Source 2 and so on... People would think that these are sequels to the original games because of the "2" at the end but really, it's just a port...
Lstar (2 months ago)
But what do they do after source 2? I mean they can't just release source 3, they can't even count until 3!
grafimir Gmr (2 months ago)
Technically, they can count up to 3. They just don't how to spell 3. I mean, they released a 3rd Counter-Strike game so they do know how to count. They just don't know how to spell it when it comes to things like Left 4 Dead 3!
Just Your Average D00d (2 months ago)
Goldsrc: HL 1 Source: HL 2 Source 2: HL3
Just Your Average D00d (2 months ago)
grafimir Gmr each new half life game came with a new engine
grafimir Gmr (2 months ago)
If you are counting the first games released on the said engine it should go like GoldSrc=HL1, Source=CSS, Source 2=Dota 2 But if you are counting Half-Life games... GoldSrc=HL1, Source=HL2, Source 2=???
MrMeowington (3 months ago)
So wait... Robot Repair was Source 2? WUUUUTTTTTT
Jules (3 months ago)
A quote featuring "Half Life 3" sounds automatically fictional
David67481 (3 months ago)
They have to make it, because of the "2".
David67481 (2 months ago)
You just don't understand irony xD
grafimir Gmr (2 months ago)
How's that ironic? Also, I was joking in my reply.
David67481 (2 months ago)
Do you know irony?
grafimir Gmr (2 months ago)
Why? They never made Counter-Strike 2, Day of Defeat 2, Ricochet 2 or Deathmatch Classic 2 so...
Half Life 3 News (3 months ago)
Stupid gaben you say only aaaaaaa and you not give US Half Life 3
Half Life 3 News (3 months ago)
Cavey Manta (3 months ago)
I really think that Artifact should be made on Source 2. It would really smooth out development of those...cards. Is this the future of games?
grafimir Gmr (2 months ago)
We are at least getting games, you know. There's In The Valley Of The God's also coming out on Source 2. Don't act like Valve is doing ALL WRONG and is not being serious in making games, just because you got one card game on a seemingly superior engine.
Sam Slammer (4 months ago)
I think Valve focuses too much on not being seen to conform to rumours and I would bet money on them being held back by leaks from the past. Furthermore they need to fix or reinvent there VAC system, Now clearly they are able to just hardware/i.p ban these people, But in the effort to remove the cheaters need to 'beat the system' they are taking the 'let them cheat but put them against cheaters approach' this is very clever as it will put the players that try to hide in with the players that are raging thus making the game no longer enjoyable to play for them. Now xD The reason I started with this is that the potentially MASSIVE games like CS need to be clean and competitive to be a success and if i had a new engine (baring in mind my previous engine was destroyed by cheaters) it would have to be 'cheater proof' before i release my new IP and I believe that a select few at valve are acutely aware of just how bad the cheating problem is but are keeping it watered down for everyone else and the public as its totally believable that it can't be "that" bad and in fact there are a lot of cheaters that don't realise there playing against cheaters and spend a lot of the game trying to hide it, Its an incredibly interesting situation. Now "knowing this" my only concern would be do they really know just how few players are COMPLETELY clean, Even players that i can see have well trained aim, movement and mental dexterity still whip out anti aim now and again. I guess the answer to that would be that they will be able to detect ANY cheat and these players would most likely start with no cheats to test the new cheat system anywho. Anyway I'm gonna keep flying the flag of ONLY SKILL and lets see if Valve rewards me cos they f**king better :-D
NitrogeniuM (4 months ago)
Lol Gabe Rocking the Thumb-Around :DDDD pen spin trick
Emy (4 months ago)
Gabe will die and we will not get Half Life 3:)
zck2020 (4 months ago)
I think this is a result of a 'bossless' employee structure at Valve, nobody gets a fire lit under their ass to get things done when they need to.
ThePoorMansButter (5 months ago)
Boy, Valve sure is a disappointing company.
Half Life 3 Half Life 3 (5 months ago)
So make half life 3
Half Life 3 Half Life 3 (5 months ago)
We want half life 3
Matthew Parrish (5 months ago)
Hey do you go to Youngstown State University? I had heard from someone that you do.
Raka Nugraha (5 months ago)
Half life 3
Tones (5 months ago)
Damn, that ending was bleak and sudden.
Luke C (5 months ago)
Imagine if valve someday did an orange box 2 with TF3 L4D3 HL3 Portal 3 Dota 3 Source 3 Yeah that will never happen :(
Thundercunt McGeezax (5 months ago)
That game he's shilling at the start looks like a straight copy of Summoner's War.
miss misanthropist (5 months ago)
they have good reason to be taking their time, the tools in my opinion are still a bit difficult to learn and valve can take as long as they want improving them
hansdietrich83 (5 months ago)
I stopped cs go mapping about 2 years ago, because I thought source 2 would come out soon, after the dota release, making the mals opsolete. Man I was Wrong
RoachDoggJr (5 months ago)
I just want to try this out already...
Gordon Freeman (5 months ago)
Wow okay so people where talking about neglecting tech and focused instead on games but its opposite now and we know why but know we know how long they've been thinking about focusing on tech instead of games
Ivan Vojt (5 months ago)
Problem is UGC never catches on at any sizable scale. Many players are leery of installing UGC as well.
Awesome (5 months ago)
I've worked in the Source engine for 5 years, making The Battle Grounds 3. I've done everything including mapping, modelling, audio, and ground-up AI programming. I've thrown at it everything and the kitchen sink. Very powerful engine. Hard to get into, because there's almost no documentation available. Let me tell you what Source does better than Unreal or Unity. It has better geometry building tools. I'm talking about the classic Quake-era blocks. In Unreal, if you want the textures on geometry to align, you have to manually enter the coordinates. In Source, you can do it in one click. And Unity? Unity does not even have the quake-era simple geometry, which means that for *every* rectangular prism you want, you have to redo the textures in an external modelling program. Talk about a downgrade. I just hope Source 2 provides all the modern stuff with better performance, VR, and all, yet keeps the great geometry building tools of old.
Spiggle (5 months ago)
Also i bet the reason they haven't made a HL3 yet is because there hasn't been much change in terms of physics, HL2 was awesome back then with Havok, and is still really good today. They need real time land/terrain interaction, realistic fire & water.. not scripted, that's the way forward. And auto AI learning, though admittedly that last one is probably a bit too early yet.
Spiggle (5 months ago)
This guy was telling us L4D3 was "close to completion" a while back.. yeah, so much for that right?
Creative Huckleberry (5 months ago)
Source 3 comfirmed! *edit after watching the video and reading the comments below, i can say something simple regarding the hate against source 2 and that source2 would have a hard time competing against unity and cryengien.. simple. It's not about how big you have, it's about how you use it. -Alien Observer 2018 #rashbnostop
WizardIF (5 months ago)
Why does Tyler sound disappointing in this video?
Samuel Ares (5 months ago)
Pray to lord Gaben
J*Rod (5 months ago)
Hooray, I'm ValveTime! Seriously though, Source 2 is a weird case of experimenting in different areas until you're spread thin and end up resting on your laurels again with Artifact. I've entertained the idea of reimplementing the "feel" and compatibility of Source on a newer open-source engine like Godot, but ultimately the enthusiasm from the developer side is waning enough that the indie community won't even entertain its existence. Time may prove wrong, but for now we're pretty exhausted.
Raz G (5 months ago)
Creates Source 2 *Releases Artifact*
Too much Freedom (5 months ago)
Portal 2 portal has six letters divide six by two you get 3 so hunt down the freeman 3 confirmed
WepOn Cheekibreeki (5 months ago)
nice video, what music is running in the background?
Nonetrix (5 months ago)
Sauce 2
Ssnakee (5 months ago)
Georgebad (5 months ago)
I hate how you don't know how to do an accelerated backhop in Half Life 2
Cavey Manta (3 months ago)
Valve sure knows how to do it..when it comes to making games.
healLV (5 months ago)
"Alright, doesn't gonna happen" the summary of source 2 rn
Cat (5 months ago)
while we understand the need to make profit that sponsorship at the beginning was just plain bad, ALL of us know that game is awful. YOU definitely know that game is awful.
M B (5 months ago)
Valve is gross
Bert Lemo (5 months ago)
All I want to know is how to build a team!!!
Sauce too is my favourite
Guipegoraro (5 months ago)
love your content, happy to see youre making some money from it you deserve it man
Toadsoe (5 months ago)
at 1:15 i played that mission and when you get to the magnet thing you have to pick up stuff and put down the bridge, and later on i found a road and another bridge but i don't know if i should go there by walk because my buggy cant climb ladders, or is there another way to get the buggy up there plshelp
Degenerate Canada (5 months ago)
0:41 to skip the ad
9NecroW9 (5 months ago)
If I had to bet on what's going on with Source 2 I'd bet on something going terribly wrong in its development. I trust in Valve's developers, however and believe they will pull through.
Where can I find good team mates?
GLaDOSCake122 (5 months ago)
I'm just here dreaming of Half-Life 3 in Source 2, day night sequences, cloth physics to animate NPC clothing and hair, higher poly count models for DOG and Alyx, destructive physics brush environments with bits that break off upon weapon impact, procedural physics sequences like glass shards falling off a window in real-time, contorting physics properties and transforming or weaponizing elements via Gravity Gun enhancement. Don't mind me.
b00ster (5 months ago)
Cold Cafe (5 months ago)
oh valve you lazy fucks
S0up3rD0up3r (5 months ago)
Valve needs to get their shit together. They've done utterly nothing to contribute to the gaming market in the last several years outside of Steam.
Archie Lay (5 months ago)
Hey there big boi the tf2 comp update shipped
demonoid47 (5 months ago)
I just got home from watching Ready Player One. I could see Tracer at three seperate parts of the movie. Diddn't see any TF2 stuff. Am sad. :(
CunningCondor (5 months ago)
Gabe is a lot older than I initially thought.
Ferret (5 months ago)
Could you (in the future) add subtitles to clips of the press event you went to? I always have trouble understanding what they're saying.
Admiralex91 (5 months ago)
It's 14 years now. Where is the game Gabe? WHERE IS MY GAME?
helium73 (5 months ago)
Gray Newell got the "Run Around"?
MrPredatorCZ (5 months ago)
"Video starts with an ad" Me: This gon be gud...
nem tudom (5 months ago)
Tyler is officially a sellout
Oldtimeplayerzzz (5 months ago)
the fuck does my age have to do with him being a sellout? as mentioned before being Sponsored doesnt make you a sellout.Anyone who sacrifices artistic integrity in an effort to become more successful or popular is a sellout Tyler doesnt sacrifice his content to become more "popular" or "sucessful" he just simply needs the money to make more content.That's litteraly just it
nem tudom (5 months ago)
Ehh, you're probably too young to understand this.
Oldtimeplayerzzz (5 months ago)
so being sponsored makes you a sellout....huh neat
Luuk de Wijse (5 months ago)
I still wonder how people can hold strong and beat people around the bush for so many years.Even though I'm sure they're working on it, it does leave me annoyed and uneasy for some reason
Xen The Xenthian (5 months ago)
8:48 you can see the half-life 3 dev in the background
Peppa (5 months ago)
0mikr0n (5 months ago)
Oh hey, it's muh boi RoyAwesome. RIP Planetside.
Dabesh Gamer (5 months ago)
>8:25 "We would like to have everyone working on games here at Valve to eventually be using the same engine. " "Working on" may be different than "Maintaining", but really hoping this may mean TF2 would move to Source 2 someday. That of TF3.
Infinite Ouya (5 months ago)
Is the video supposed to end so suddenly?
Practical Problems (5 months ago)
I can confirm what Gray said. I’ve been asking around for details on certain S2 formats on Steam by DMing Valve employees. Nobody so far actually knows the least bit about it.
Shreklemite (5 months ago)
you fucking sellout
staryoshi06 (5 months ago)
1:21 Was G-string really the best name for a half life 2 mod.
staryoshi06 (5 months ago)
But how will I know how to build a team from scratch or find good teammates?
Michael Yanni (5 months ago)
The only thing that I really want is the new version of Hammer they use. Like, the old Hammer is beyond outdated.
Solarius (5 months ago)
0:42 to skip the intro advertisement
Mandalore The Proud (5 months ago)
I like map design so I hope Source 2 is easy to use.
Olde (5 months ago)
Can you please learn how to correctly use apostrophes? As in: "Valve's," "firm's," "everyone's," "that's," "there's," "you're," "we've," etc. This video is embarrassing to watch because you appear uneducated.
coolguy47 (5 months ago)
To everyone who is complaining about Valve taking so long to release Source 2: THEY DON'T OWE YOU ANYTHING, THE ONLY REASON THEY RELEASE THE ENGINE IS FOR USER GENERATED CONTENT, AND AS LONG AS THERE AREN'T ANY GAMES ON IT EXCEPT FOR DOTA 2 (Which it has an editor for UGC that runs on Source 2) THEY WON'T RELEASE IT TO THE PUBLIC.
HonoR95 (5 months ago)
How ironic that your sponsor is game similar to dota/warcraft
ZuhNider (5 months ago)
You can hear the weariness in Tyler's voice. He's sick of Valve disappointing the community repeatedly. Don't worry man, we're all with you.
Fear GX (5 months ago)
maybe valve is just lazier these days after all them steam profits. nah but realistically I'm sure they have their goals they want to meet, and they time take and effort to meet halfway. Maybe at some point Gabe and others realized things we don't know publicly.
Black Mesa Zanza (5 months ago)
that was an abrupt ending
Gabe Newell (5 months ago)
lol source 2 can suck my huge ass *dabs* I ate half life 3
AnotherPolock (5 months ago)
Source 3 confirmed
Angrynerd (5 months ago)
If other developers and companys are able to use source 2 that would be great and im excited for all thw new forks of the engin to work with specific objectives
Mageh-Pro (5 months ago)
L Nordin (5 months ago)
So what happened to when you said you'd make a vid about hunt the freeman.
Brady McD (5 months ago)
sauce 2
Comander555666 (5 months ago)
10:13 gaben got some skills there
Comander555666 (5 months ago)
04:36 reading left 4 dead 3 always gives me the shivers
feelsbad (5 months ago)
gay juice is mocha latte
IratePirate (5 months ago)
That final section sums up modern Valve in a nutshell. Nobody has any god damn idea what they're doing because there's absolutely no direction. I bet Source 2 is nowhere near finished because the four people sitting in a closet somewhere working on it in their spare time left and the others are too busy experimenting.

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