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A Comprehensive History of Source 2

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Install Alliance NOW and get 50,000 gold and 50 gems! iOS - http://bit.ly/2oU2pja Android - http://bit.ly/2p1XgVg Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/valvenewsnetwork Watch my Streams : http://www.twitch.tv/valvenewsnetwork Steam Group : http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VNN Today on Valve News Network, we take a look at the entire history of Valve apparent upcoming game engine, Source 2. We cover every official mention, announcement, and most important, leaks. Sources : http://www.valvesoftware.com/company/ https://web.archive.org/web/20100610231257/http://www.vg247.com:80/2010/06/08/rumor-valves-e3-surprise-is-source-engine-2/ http://www.develop-online.net/features/1191/Valve-on-Source-and-studio-culture http://www.gaminglives.com/2011/10/13/counterstrike-global-offensive-interview-with-chet-faliszek/ http://www.valvetime.net/threads/new-reference-to-alyx-vance-episode-three-found-in-sfm-code.215293/ http://www.valvetime.net/threads/next-gen-source-2-engine-is-in-development.215336/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkR1O3j6SFI http://www.valvetime.net/threads/updated-half-life-3-left-4-dead-3-source-2-much-more-found-on-valve-project-tracker.243580/ https://imgur.com/a/b5dIf http://www.valvetime.net/threads/valve-jira-database-accessed-once-more-hl3-l4d3-source-2-groups-expand.243965/ https://www.neogaf.com/threads/l4d3-source-2-reveal.758999/ https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1zkfmv/wearea_videogame_developer_aua/cfufdfl/?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2cv5os/so_the_workshop_tools_isnt_just_a_modding/ https://web.archive.org/web/20150223235521/http://store.steampowered.com/universe/ https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-announces-source-2-will-release-it-for-free-to-content-developers/ https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/03/04/source-2-is-actually-free-like-for-free/ http://www.mandatory.com/culture/831045-valve-portal-vr-demo-shows-source-2-engine-action https://steamdb.info/blog/vulkan-the-future-graphics/ https://www.pcgamesn.com/dota-2/dota-2-reborn-is-valves-huge-new-source-2-engine-update http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/09/09/dota-2-now-valves-first-ever-source-2-game https://github.com/SteamDatabase/GameTracking/blob/0dd82bbf7db9c0bde3f045e337544eeeb7038595/373301/game/core/tools/help/fgd/hl3.txt https://www.gamesradar.com/whats-going-on-new-half-life-3-left-4-dead-rumours/ https://www.polygon.com/2016/6/8/11868324/valve-rolls-out-free-vr-creation-tool-for-new-workshop https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/07/dota-2-releases-full-vr-spectator-suite-just-in-time-for-the-international/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Gaben/comments/5olhj4/hi_im_gabe_newell_ama/dck7yd7/?context=3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpaNnX_9Q5s https://www.roadtovr.com/htc-valve-still-committed-making-three-vr-full-games/ http://toucharcade.com/2018/03/13/valve-has-dota-2-and-the-source-2-engine-running-on-mobile-devices-other-mobile-ports-are-possible/ Music : https://soundcloud.com/mattdeguia https://orcavibes.bandcamp.com/track/gypsy-2 soundcloud.com/tymubeats www.instagram.com/dylanlytw/ open.spotify.com/album/5HXY12B4yw1DI1yq5BEUeJ soundcloud.com/matthewsteinlauf https://soundcloud.com/aricogle https://open.spotify.com/artist/45Ui3GdcxzbdJhhTtZLXO8 https://soundcloud.com/fragile-touch https://soundcloud.com/squidb3a My Social Media : Twitter : https://twitter.com/ValveNewsNetwor Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/valvenewsnetwork/ Waffler Weekly : goo.gl/Fm28Ge
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Text Comments (631)
ThePoorMansButter (5 days ago)
Boy, Valve sure is a disappointing company.
So make half life 3
We want half life 3
Matthew Parrish (10 days ago)
Hey do you go to Youngstown State University? I had heard from someone that you do.
Fire Ember 4567 (11 days ago)
Half life 3
AnonymaPizza (12 days ago)
Damn, that ending was bleak and sudden.
Luke C (12 days ago)
Imagine if valve someday did an orange box 2 with TF3 L4D3 HL3 Portal 3 Dota 3 Source 3 Yeah that will never happen :(
Thundercunt McGeezax (12 days ago)
That game he's shilling at the start looks like a straight copy of Summoner's War.
miss misanthropist (13 days ago)
they have good reason to be taking their time, the tools in my opinion are still a bit difficult to learn and valve can take as long as they want improving them
hansdietrich83 (16 days ago)
I stopped cs go mapping about 2 years ago, because I thought source 2 would come out soon, after the dota release, making the mals opsolete. Man I was Wrong
WorldsWorstBoy (16 days ago)
I just want to try this out already...
Gordon Freeman (18 days ago)
Wow okay so people where talking about neglecting tech and focused instead on games but its opposite now and we know why but know we know how long they've been thinking about focusing on tech instead of games
Ivan Vojt (21 days ago)
Problem is UGC never catches on at any sizable scale. Many players are leery of installing UGC as well.
Awesome (21 days ago)
I've worked in the Source engine for 5 years, making The Battle Grounds 3. I've done everything including mapping, modelling, audio, and ground-up AI programming. I've thrown at it everything and the kitchen sink. Very powerful engine. Hard to get into, because there's almost no documentation available. Let me tell you what Source does better than Unreal or Unity. It has better geometry building tools. I'm talking about the classic Quake-era blocks. In Unreal, if you want the textures on geometry to align, you have to manually enter the coordinates. In Source, you can do it in one click. And Unity? Unity does not even have the quake-era simple geometry, which means that for *every* rectangular prism you want, you have to redo the textures in an external modelling program. Talk about a downgrade. I just hope Source 2 provides all the modern stuff with better performance, VR, and all, yet keeps the great geometry building tools of old.
Spiggle (21 days ago)
Also i bet the reason they haven't made a HL3 yet is because there hasn't been much change in terms of physics, HL2 was awesome back then with Havok, and is still really good today. They need real time land/terrain interaction, realistic fire & water.. not scripted, that's the way forward. And auto AI learning, though admittedly that last one is probably a bit too early yet.
Spiggle (21 days ago)
This guy was telling us L4D3 was "close to completion" a while back.. yeah, so much for that right?
Alien Observer (21 days ago)
Source 3 comfirmed! *edit after watching the video and reading the comments below, i can say something simple regarding the hate against source 2 and that source2 would have a hard time competing against unity and cryengien.. simple. It's not about how big you have, it's about how you use it. -Alien Observer 2018 #rashbnostop
WizardIF (22 days ago)
Why does Tyler sound disappointing in this video?
Samuel Ares (22 days ago)
Pray to lord Gaben
J*Rod (23 days ago)
Hooray, I'm ValveTime! Seriously though, Source 2 is a weird case of experimenting in different areas until you're spread thin and end up resting on your laurels again with Artifact. I've entertained the idea of reimplementing the "feel" and compatibility of Source on a newer open-source engine like Godot, but ultimately the enthusiasm from the developer side is waning enough that the indie community won't even entertain its existence. Time may prove wrong, but for now we're pretty exhausted.
Dorian Pillari (23 days ago)
Wow that gabe newell interview seemed awkward as hell. Its like he barely knows what hes talking about
Tikho (21 days ago)
I think he's just avoiding saying a LOT of things, understandably so. Seriously tho, Gabe, do something decent.
Raz G (24 days ago)
Creates Source 2 *Releases Artifact*
Lo L (24 days ago)
Portal 2 portal has six letters divide six by two you get 3 so hunt down the freeman 3 confirmed
WepOn Cheekibreeki (25 days ago)
nice video, what music is running in the background?
Nonetrix (25 days ago)
Sauce 2
Ssnakee (26 days ago)
Georgebad (26 days ago)
I hate how you don't know how to do an accelerated backhop in Half Life 2
healLV (26 days ago)
"Alright, doesn't gonna happen" the summary of source 2 rn
Sarper Kizilkaya (26 days ago)
Hey asshole do the competitive update news
Cat (26 days ago)
while we understand the need to make profit that sponsorship at the beginning was just plain bad, ALL of us know that game is awful. YOU definitely know that game is awful.
M B (26 days ago)
Valve is gross
Bert Lemo (26 days ago)
All I want to know is how to build a team!!!
Obnoxious Otter (27 days ago)
Sauce too is my favourite
Guipegoraro (27 days ago)
love your content, happy to see youre making some money from it you deserve it man
Toadsoe (27 days ago)
at 1:15 i played that mission and when you get to the magnet thing you have to pick up stuff and put down the bridge, and later on i found a road and another bridge but i don't know if i should go there by walk because my buggy cant climb ladders, or is there another way to get the buggy up there plshelp
Ludamus (27 days ago)
0:41 to skip the ad
9NecroW9 (27 days ago)
If I had to bet on what's going on with Source 2 I'd bet on something going terribly wrong in its development. I trust in Valve's developers, however and believe they will pull through.
Where can I find good team mates?
GLaDOSCake122 (27 days ago)
I'm just here dreaming of Half-Life 3 in Source 2, day night sequences, cloth physics to animate NPC clothing and hair, higher poly count models for DOG and Alyx, destructive physics brush environments with bits that break off upon weapon impact, procedural physics sequences like glass shards falling off a window in real-time, contorting physics properties and transforming or weaponizing elements via Gravity Gun enhancement. Don't mind me.
b00ster (27 days ago)
Cold Cafe (27 days ago)
oh valve you lazy fucks
S0up3rD0up3r (27 days ago)
Valve needs to get their shit together. They've done utterly nothing to contribute to the gaming market in the last several years outside of Steam.
Archie Lay (27 days ago)
Hey there big boi the tf2 comp update shipped
demonoid47 (27 days ago)
I just got home from watching Ready Player One. I could see Tracer at three seperate parts of the movie. Diddn't see any TF2 stuff. Am sad. :(
CunningCondor (27 days ago)
Gabe is a lot older than I initially thought.
Ferret (27 days ago)
Could you (in the future) add subtitles to clips of the press event you went to? I always have trouble understanding what they're saying.
Admiralex91 (27 days ago)
It's 14 years now. Where is the game Gabe? WHERE IS MY GAME?
helium73 (27 days ago)
Gray Newell got the "Run Around"?
MrPredatorCZ (28 days ago)
"Video starts with an ad" Me: This gon be gud...
nem tudom (28 days ago)
Tyler is officially a sellout
Oldtimeplayerzzz (21 days ago)
the fuck does my age have to do with him being a sellout? as mentioned before being Sponsored doesnt make you a sellout.Anyone who sacrifices artistic integrity in an effort to become more successful or popular is a sellout Tyler doesnt sacrifice his content to become more "popular" or "sucessful" he just simply needs the money to make more content.That's litteraly just it
nem tudom (21 days ago)
Ehh, you're probably too young to understand this.
Oldtimeplayerzzz (22 days ago)
so being sponsored makes you a sellout....huh neat
Luuk de Wijse (28 days ago)
I still wonder how people can hold strong and beat people around the bush for so many years.Even though I'm sure they're working on it, it does leave me annoyed and uneasy for some reason
Xenthio (28 days ago)
8:48 you can see the half-life 3 dev in the background
Peppa (22 days ago)
0mikr0n (28 days ago)
Oh hey, it's muh boi RoyAwesome. RIP Planetside.
Dynamic Gamer (28 days ago)
>8:25 "We would like to have everyone working on games here at Valve to eventually be using the same engine. " "Working on" may be different than "Maintaining", but really hoping this may mean TF2 would move to Source 2 someday. That of TF3.
Infinite Ouya (28 days ago)
Is the video supposed to end so suddenly?
Practical Problems (28 days ago)
I can confirm what Gray said. I’ve been asking around for details on certain S2 formats on Steam by DMing Valve employees. Nobody so far actually knows the least bit about it.
Video Stealer (28 days ago)
you fucking sellout
staryoshi06 (28 days ago)
1:21 Was G-string really the best name for a half life 2 mod.
staryoshi06 (28 days ago)
But how will I know how to build a team from scratch or find good teammates?
Michael Yanni (28 days ago)
The only thing that I really want is the new version of Hammer they use. Like, the old Hammer is beyond outdated.
Solarius (28 days ago)
0:42 to skip the intro advertisement
Mandalore The Proud (28 days ago)
I like map design so I hope Source 2 is easy to use.
Olde (28 days ago)
Can you please learn how to correctly use apostrophes? As in: "Valve's," "firm's," "everyone's," "that's," "there's," "you're," "we've," etc. This video is embarrassing to watch because you appear uneducated.
coolguy47 (28 days ago)
To everyone who is complaining about Valve taking so long to release Source 2: THEY DON'T OWE YOU ANYTHING, THE ONLY REASON THEY RELEASE THE ENGINE IS FOR USER GENERATED CONTENT, AND AS LONG AS THERE AREN'T ANY GAMES ON IT EXCEPT FOR DOTA 2 (Which it has an editor for UGC that runs on Source 2) THEY WON'T RELEASE IT TO THE PUBLIC.
HonoR95 (28 days ago)
How ironic that your sponsor is game similar to dota/warcraft
ZuhNider (28 days ago)
You can hear the weariness in Tyler's voice. He's sick of Valve disappointing the community repeatedly. Don't worry man, we're all with you.
Fear GX (28 days ago)
maybe valve is just lazier these days after all them steam profits. nah but realistically I'm sure they have their goals they want to meet, and they time take and effort to meet halfway. Maybe at some point Gabe and others realized things we don't know publicly.
Black Mesa Zanza (28 days ago)
that was an abrupt ending
Gabe Newell (28 days ago)
lol source 2 can suck my huge ass *dabs* I ate half life 3
AnotherPolock (28 days ago)
Source 3 confirmed
Angrynerd (28 days ago)
If other developers and companys are able to use source 2 that would be great and im excited for all thw new forks of the engin to work with specific objectives
Mageh-Pro (28 days ago)
A really pale faggot (28 days ago)
So what happened to when you said you'd make a vid about hunt the freeman.
Brady McD (28 days ago)
sauce 2
Comander555666 (28 days ago)
10:13 gaben got some skills there
Comander555666 (28 days ago)
04:36 reading left 4 dead 3 always gives me the shivers
feelsbad (28 days ago)
gay juice is mocha latte
IratePirate (28 days ago)
That final section sums up modern Valve in a nutshell. Nobody has any god damn idea what they're doing because there's absolutely no direction. I bet Source 2 is nowhere near finished because the four people sitting in a closet somewhere working on it in their spare time left and the others are too busy experimenting.
Austrian Leninist (28 days ago)
Video starts at 0:42
Naked Hardware (28 days ago)
I can't help but feel that it's a case of too little too late. I'm sure Valves own Source 2 games will be good, their games always are but at this moment Unreal and Unity are becoming industry standards and by the time they get Source 2 into developers hands it will probably end up niche use.
HQDefault (28 days ago)
10:59 I find it interesting how defeated Gabe sounds while he says "if people start prioritizing it". It sounds to me like he's seeing the flaws in Valve's structure.
centersolace (28 days ago)
As a game developer, I've given up on Source 2 and switched to Unreal. Even if Source 2 were to come out at this point I don't even think I'd use it.
Video Bryan (28 days ago)
The quote of Gaben's son at the end makes me so sad...but I think deep down we all know that is the state of Valve behind closed doors.
elwanted muerto (28 days ago)
Sorry dad, my phone can't handle this
Neco The Sergal (28 days ago)
How I see it is, Valve is both waiting for the right time, the right place to unveil and release it - as well as to ensure it has an edge over anything else also being released. Alternatively, with Tools and creation being strongly incentivized, how I usually compare it is the logic that Valve wants Source 2 to be Ready and Done, more 'Complete' than Source 1 ever was, wherein, Garry's Mod and all of its tools and modding capability that uses the engine to such lengths? They would want the engine and something comparable to GMOD 2 being on the ready - and THEN some. Source Vanilla vs Current Source 1 are leaps ahead, Source Launch/Vanilla is ugly as sin and didn't age well. So, as soon as the tools, engine, modding capabilities are refined much in the way they like to refine Games themselves are in the okay? Then it will be good to go. No betas, no slow launches, just a finely-wrapped present out the door. As for the final point with Newell's son, I see it as no one wanting to risk saying ANYTHING about the project, that people are afraid of leaks so much so that no one talks about it without Gabes' own consent - no leaks, no slip-ups, people keep their mouths shut - they don't want to 'falsely overhype' like what happened with HL2 and then their servers being hacked, causing a lot of damage. So, being tightly lipped even to family, sounds Normal to me.
Mr.Hpr12 Pie (27 days ago)
i think valve have worked on those game. i mean fuck we even have a character model from lfd3 but then they gave up and now they fucked up my face
uonexd (28 days ago)
valve hasn't released a game in 5 years, and i still can't get out of silver
_InsertNameHere_ (28 days ago)
Is it possible that the next evolution for games from valve won't be a game? What if it's an entire game development kit that is more comprehensive than something like unreal 4 or unity, requiring much less coding, and more user interactivity? Therefore even lowering the skill ceiling and learning curve for game development? For an example, years ago games had to be developed from the engine up with practically an expert in like no less than 4 fields of computer development. Even DOOM (90's) had a team of 4 people. Nowadays with things like blender, gimp, and unreal + 1000's of other easy to use packages, games can be built by 1 person. They can be built much faster. I think the next logical step is to make a dynamic system with all included, and limited code.
Green Bananas (28 days ago)
50 000
So now you make diss videos on Valve
Mark Jussayin (28 days ago)
It's not really comprehensive when you brief over 99% of the actual observable progress on Source 2 so far. Things like improved Hammer, new Lua API, new engine features, Paranoma intergration, and various changes to asset formats should at least be mentioned in a "comprehensive" compilation to showcase Source 2's growth since its first launch with Dota 2 Reborn.
bb5k (28 days ago)
Skip Sponsor Intro: 0:42
Frying1Pans (28 days ago)
hey VNN, crazybubba put those kmages in a weird place. those grey images weren't leaked from the thread and were on a portfolio of a valve modeler
Frying1Pans (28 days ago)
i also posted those on VCC
am i the only one who isn't hyped at all by this? yeah,i'd love to see source 2 happening,but really,we're running the same road we did with episode three. lots of leaks. a few announcements. no evidence. no result. this is gonna end up being just a meme
Logλn L (28 days ago)
It feels like Valve is stuck trying to get Source 2 right for the community before they can confidently build HL3 into it. It also feels like Source 2 and VR are tied together in some way. VR is interesting because it's a new medium with no Language yet. In the early days of Film there's was no Language to it, just expirements. Same with the early days of video games. It Valve intends for HL3 to be a VR experience, or something similar, they wouldn't want it to be an expirement like The Lab. But weve already heard thats, supposedly, not their intentions. Truly strange.
CLOYSTEROYSTER (28 days ago)
TheSolitaryGamer (28 days ago)
is it me or does Tyler actually sound depressed about source 2, just like he did with HL3
Cohort (28 days ago)
I dont care how many people Alliance pays, theres no way a Mobile game of any kind is good.
GLeeM (28 days ago)
What was with that abrupt ending? So it's source 2 cancelled or something?
whynot_ulises (28 days ago)
Still waiting for csgo on source 2
EchoSpit (28 days ago)
It might be a very efficient engine.. but perhaps it is just a tad complicated to use.

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